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Can we please define "vulture"??

I think we have a problem. Some people are under the impression that any player who plays in smaller tournaments than they are capable of is a vulture.

Others think that a vulture is only applicable to a player who not only plays those smaller tournaments but fails to win them.

Ferrer and Monaco are usually the biggest targets of this term and seeing as they perform extremely well against other top players, I cannot find a reason why they are receiving so much hate.

Would anybody like to enlighten me???

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Re: Can we please define "vulture"??

1. A large bird of prey (order Accipitriformes) with the head and neck more or less bare of feathers, feeding chiefly on carrion.
2. A contemptible person who preys on or exploits others.

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Re: Can we please define "vulture"??

It's a ridiculous, irrationalal and cruel term that some trolls use. Take no notice of them thunder.
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Re: Can we please define "vulture"??

Just let us have some fun, Thunderfish.



*Monaco is actually one of my 3rd tier faves.
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Re: Can we please define "vulture"??

Sure.

"A player Mug Lenders doesn't like."

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Re: Can we please define "vulture"??

Vulture - player who chooses non-mandatory events with weak fields in order to artificially boost his ranking.

Let me know if you also need a definition of weak field.
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Re: Can we please define "vulture"??

Any player from either the top 10 or 20 that enters in a tournament where he knows noone else will come close to beating him in the event.

Examples,
-Fernand Verdasco, ranked 17, entering a challenger in Czech Republic where everyone else was ranked outside the top 100.
-Feliciano Lopez, ranked 16 at the time, entering a challenger in Colombia where everyone else was ranked outside the top 100.
-David Ferrer, ranked 5, enters ATP 250 events where everyone else is ranked outside the top 30 and is just easy pickings for him.

Also, these guys do it on a constant basis.
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Vulture - player who chooses non-mandatory events with weak fields in order to artificially boost his ranking.

Let me know if you also need a definition of weak field.
Ferrer is the player with the best slam results this year outside the top 4. Ergo, by your definition he is not a vulture.

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We should be appreciative of Federer though, because we will never see anything like him again. The fact he can still compete for slams ever after the erosion of his physical skills is really a greater testament to the natural talent he has than the period of time when he was dominating the tour.
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Re: Can we please define "vulture"??

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Any player from either the top 10 or 20 that enters in a tournament where he knows noone will come close to beating him.

Examples,
-Fernand Verdasco, ranked 17, entering a challenger in Czech Republic where everyone else was ranked outside the top 100.
-Feliciano Lopez, ranked 16 at the time, entering a challenger in Colombia where everyone else was ranked outside the top 100.
-David Ferrer, ranked 5, enters ATP 250 events where everyone else is ranked outside the top 30 and is just easy pickings for him.

Also, these guys do it on a constant basis.
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Re: Can we please define "vulture"??

Can you guys piss off with your 'vulture' nonsense. The majority does not want to hear it.
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Let me know if you also need a definition of weak field.
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Re: Can we please define "vulture"??

Hilarious. What the hell is wrong with any player signing up to tournaments in which he knows he has a good chance of winning them, and racking up his ATP-counts?

It's not the 'vultures' ()'s fault if a lot of the Top Dogs don't mind playing these kind of tournaments. Even more, I see the same kind of posters accusing certain players of 'vulturing', accusing Top Players for playing certain minor tournaments just the same. Or Not playing them, whatever rocks their boats. Hello there, Double Standards!

David Ferrer has truly earned his spot on the rankings by being the most hard-working, most consistent, most dedicated player out there of the non-top-4, taking his chances wherever he gets them and making the best out of them.
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Ferrer is the player with the best slam results this year outside the top 4. Ergo, by your definition he is not a vulture.
Of course he is. Those results were made possible due to draws he gets as a result of his vultured ranking, and not the other way round - this is the first year where he's showing some consistency at Slam level. For years, he has kept a high ranking by playing tons of 250 and 500s with no top 10 (sometimes no top 30) players in the draw - the last time he defeated a top player in a non mandatory was Soderling back in 2010 Valencia.

This year is the first time where his Slam results are actually matching his ranking - and still, he has failed to make any impression when facing the current dominating trio in those tournament, losing in very one-sided fashion every time.
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Ferrer is the player with the best slam results this year outside the top 4. Ergo, by your definition he is not a vulture.
Funny, because he achieved exactly that by vulturing an injured Murray on clay.


I have nothing but respect for his achievements though, given his limited talent. He's probably the greatest overachiever of all time, alongside Wozniacki but Caroline is a mug, Ferrer is actually decent.
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Re: Can we please define "vulture"??

The point most people miss is that Ferrer is most definitely "vulturing" when it comes to his non-mandatory tournaments. Just look at the 5 titles he has picked up this year and it is glaringly obvious. IMO there's nothing wrong with that but I can see why it would annoy people. The fact he has the slam results to back up his ranking means the haters don't really have a leg to stand on especially when they imply that somehow winning 250s can get you to top 5 in the rankings.

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