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Vulturing

I have nothing against vulturing i just hate it that people are focused on certain players when this is done.
Congrats for Ferrer, Monaco, Tipsarevic, del Potro and Raonic for taking advantage of the draw they have. I rather see successful vulturing that those who fell miserably at it.
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5	Ferrer, David (ESP)
Auckland (Won)
s-Hertogenbosch (Won)
Bastad (Won)

8	Tipsarevic, Janko (SRB)
Chennai (Final)
Stutrgart (Won)
Atlanta (Final)

9	Del Potro, Juan Martin (ARG)
Estoril (Won)

10	Monaco, Juan (ARG)
Chile (Won)
Houston (Won)
Stutgart (Final)

11	Isner, John (USA)
Houston (Final)
Newport (Won)
Atlanta (Semifinal)

12	Almagro, Nicolas (ESP)
Chennai (Semifinal)
Auckland (Quarterfinal)
Sao Paulo (Won)
Bastad (Final)

13	Fish, Mardy (USA)
Houston (Second Round)
Atlanta (Second Round)

14	Simon, Gilles (FRA)
Sao Paulo (Second ROund)
Bucharest (Won)

15	Cilic, Marin (CRO)
Umag (Won)

16	Verdasco, Fernando (ESP)
Auckland (Semifinal)
Sao Paulo (Quarterfinal)
Umag (Semifinal)

18	Dolgopolov, Alexandr (UKR)
Casablanca (Second ROund)
Umag (Semifinal)

19	Nishikori, Kei (JPN)
Newport (Quarterfinals)
Atlanta (Quarterfinals)

20	Granollers, Marcel (ESP)
Umag (Final)
Atlanta (Second Round)

21	Gasquet, Richard (FRA)
Estoril (Final)

22	Kohlschreiber, Philipp (GER)
Auckland (Semifinal)

23	Mayer, Florian (GER)
Casablanca (Second Round)
Bucharest (Second Round)

24	Raonic, Milos (CAN)
Chennai (Won)
San Jose (Won)
Newport (Second Round)

25	Roddick, Andy (USA)
San Jose (Quarterfinal)

26	Wawrinka, Stanislas (SUI)
Chennai (Quarterfinals)
Estoril (Semifinals)
Atlanta (Second Round)

27	Stepanek, Radek (CZE)
San Jose (Quarterfinal)

28	Seppi, Andreas (ITA)
Zagreb (Second Round)
Bucharest (Quarterfinals)
Serbia (Won)

29	Youzhny, Mikhail (RUS)
Zagreb (Won)
Atlanta (Second Round)

30	Lopez, Feliciano (ESP)
Houston (Semifinals)
Atlanta (Quarterfinal)
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What is with MTF's obsession with vultures?



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I'd rather be a vulture that wins than a mug who always loses.

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It's the most stupid thing on MTF, hands down. So-called tennis fans outraged because tennis players appear at tennis tournaments.

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If I was a top 10 player I would vulture loads. My calendar would be as follows;
Auckland/ Aussie Open
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Er, but for some of those that complain, the draw given is not a problem. Just the fact that it seems like some players play some of these events in order to avoid the best players. The Doha case for example, where several of the top players play their first ATP event of the year and players like Ferrer choose to play at Auckland. I mean in that particular event, Ferrer lost just one set and won every single set with a score of 6-3 or 6-4 bar one match giving him a scoreline of 6-2.. I have no problem with playing these small events here or there, and certainly when players do it once in a while it is fine, but some seem to do it like I said consistently in order to avoid the top players and therefore their ranking/hype may be inflated

EDIT: Ferrer is a bad example, because he certainly belongs at the top, no question about that, but there are others.

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It's the most stupid thing on MTF, hands down. So-called tennis fans outraged because tennis players appear at tennis tournaments.
This. It's not like these guys only play small 250s
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Er, but for some of those that complain, the draw given is not a problem. Just the fact that it seems like some players play some of these events in order to avoid the best players. The Doha case for example, where several of the top players play their first ATP event of the year and players like Ferrer choose to play at Auckland. I mean in that particular event, Ferrer lost just one set and won every single set with a score of 6-3 or 6-4 bar one match giving him a scoreline of 6-2.. I have no problem with playing these small events here or there, and certainly when players do it once in a while it is fine, but some seem to do it like I said consistently in order to avoid the top players and therefore their ranking/hype may be inflated
The thing about is he didn't know the list before the event, it's not like here are the players do you want to sign in or not. If they accept Wild Card that maybe something else.
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There is also a case to be made that playing in a small tourny puts alot more pressure on you to win. its one thing to lose at a slam or big event but if you're a top player and lose against a 100 + ranked player or qualifer at like Basted that's pretty bad.
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It's the most stupid thing on MTF, hands down. So-called tennis fans outraged because tennis players appear at tennis tournaments.
Well put. Only clowns like Lenders and Tyson whine about vulturing.

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it is funny that certain players like monaco and ferrer get blasted all the time and yet roddick who will probably win the tournament in atlanta with only 1 win over a top 50 player along the way gets a pass

i remember when vulturing was called playing tennis..i wonder when we'll get back to that
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What is with MTF's obsession with vultures?
I think a poor excuse to hate on ''certain'' players.
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Nadal should have vultured Acapulco, Stuttgart and Gstaad.

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I'll use two players to make my point here: Ferrer and Del Potro, using their 250 and 500 tournaments. These two are pretty much perfect to illustrate what a vulture and a non-vulture is.

Ferrer:

Won Auckland by beating #74, #80, #24, #68.

Won Buenos Aires by beating #237, #162, #263, #85 and #11

Won Acapulco by beating #54, #50, #80 and #27

Barcelona final by beating #789, #69, #16 and #25.

Won Scrub Hertogenbosh by beating #244, #62, #112, #60 and #145

Won Bastaad by beating #128, #199, #69 and #10.


So basically 1800 of his 4100 ranking points for the year (almost 50%) come from tournaments where he faced scrubs. The only tournaments that even had top 10 players in the draw were Barcelona and Bastaad (who had Almagro, a guy who keeps going in and out of the top 10, not exactly a solid top 10er).

Verdict: VULTURE


Del Potro:

Rotterdam Final by beating #47, #105, #24 and Berdych (#7). Lost final to Federer.

Won Marseille by beating #40, #15, Tsonga (#6) and #50

Dubai semis by beating #20, #143, Tsonga (#5), lost to Federer.

Won Estoril by beating #90, #69, #22 and #18


So he entered Rotterdam with Federer and Berdych in the draw, Marseille with Tsonga and Tipsy in the draw, Dubai with 8 top 10 players in the draw. Estoril was admittedly weak with Gasquet and Wawrinka as second and third seeds, but still stronger than the vast majority of the tournaments Ferrer entered. Also feel free to compare the rankings of the players faced.

Verdict: NOT A VULTURE


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