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View Poll Results: Who will complete the ATP Hexagon first?
Roger Federer with the gold medal 30 29.70%
Novak Djokovic with the Olympics 15 14.85%
Rafael Nadal with an ATP Final victory 56 55.45%
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post #46 of 75 (permalink) Old 08-08-2012, 12:37 PM
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Looks hard now. Even for Novak who will be 29 at Rio. He might win a RG in the next 3 years but the Olympics at 29 will not be easy.
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1. Wimbledon
2. US Open
3. Roland Garros
4. Australian Open
5. Year End Masters
6. Olympic Gold
7. Davis Cup

So, it's really a Septagon. Add in all the legit Masters 1000.

8. Indian Wells
9. Miami
10. Monte Carlo
11. Rome
12. Canada
13. Cincinnati
14. Paris Indoors

Players should strive for the "14-agon."

Federer is only missing 4. Gold Medal, Davis Cup, Monte Carlo, and Rome. But he does have a silver, 2 Rome Finals, and 3 Monte Carlo finals. Davis Cup is his worst, 1 SF in 2003.

Nadal is missing 4 as well. Year End Masters, Miami, Cincinnati, and Paris Indoor. He's made 1 YEC Final, 3 Miami finals, 1 Paris Final, but Cincinnati is his worst, only 2 SF.

Djokovic is missing 4. Roland Garros, Olympic Gold, Monte Carlo, Cincinnati, 3 finals in Cincy, 2 finals in Monte Carlo, a Bronze, and 1 RG Final.

Now these are records to keep an eye on. There is a chance none will achieve this.

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Johnny, I am disappointed. You keep forgetting the all important slams such as Basel and Umag. Really, you can do much better.


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Basel perhaps now, Umag yes.

And Houston and Newport, lest we forget.

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To be honest the importance of masters series tournaments is overstated. I doubt many multiple masters series champions actually remember how many masters series tournaments they won in total, or their individual records at each of the individual events. I know that Sampras and numerous other players from the 90s have no idea how many masters titles they have to their name.

Really its a septagon, but the olympics is different to a slam or a regular tour event, in that a gold medal is a gold medal regardless of whether it has been achieved in singles or doubles, so Federer is an olympic champion. Similarly the Davis Cup is different in that it is a team event that combines singles and doubles (often the crucial and decisive rubber).
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To be honest the importance of masters series tournaments is overstated. I doubt many multiple masters series champions actually remember how many masters series tournaments they won in total, or their individual records at each of the individual events. I know that Sampras and numerous other players from the 90s have no idea how many masters titles they have to their name.
Really its a septagon, but the olympics is different to a slam or a regular tour event, in that a gold medal is a gold medal regardless of whether it has been achieved in singles or doubles, so Federer is an olympic champion. Similarly the Davis Cup is different in that it is a team event that combines singles and doubles (often the crucial and decisive rubber).
That might perhaps be because the total was not very impressive? 11 to be precise. Six less than Agassi, that had to hurt.
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Agassi's wiki article calls this the "Career Super Slam," apparently SI used that once.

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Seriously?

When one's career is over, what are they going to remember more? A Masters 1000 title or winning the Olympic Gold?

I actually think being an Olympian is a great achievement in itself.
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Rafael Nadal.
His time off now, skipping the Olympics might be the perfect machiavelic plan from Uncle Tony to have Rafa well rested for the final part of the year assault

check it out.. everyone's burnt out in Toronto. Djokovic 3.0 is by no means in a near level of 2.0. Federer becomes Olderer from time to time, Murray is on a roll but, let's face it... it's Murray.

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To be honest the importance of masters series tournaments is overstated. I doubt many multiple masters series champions actually remember how many masters series tournaments they won in total, or their individual records at each of the individual events. I know that Sampras and numerous other players from the 90s have no idea how many masters titles they have to their name.

Really its a septagon, but the olympics is different to a slam or a regular tour event, in that a gold medal is a gold medal regardless of whether it has been achieved in singles or doubles, so Federer is an olympic champion. Similarly the Davis Cup is different in that it is a team event that combines singles and doubles (often the crucial and decisive rubber).
Exactly, see for example Phelps or Bolt, they are individual racers but also do team efforts and those medals are just as worthy as the ones they got on their own

Also, from the current big names, the only one with two Olympic medals is Federer.

Mirnyi is an Olympic champion, same as the Bryan Brothers, Rafa Nadal, Fernando González...

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That might perhaps be because the total was not very impressive? 11 to be precise. Six less than Agassi, that had to hurt.
LOL Sampras couldn't barely give a shit about the masters series event and you could see that with his attitude and the way he approached many of them during his career. He said himself many times that 'no-one cares how many times you win events like Cincy', and without looking it up I bet many people don't know that he won that event 3 times. It can't hurt him at all when he never cared about his masters series title count in the first place during his career, and after he retired he forgot about many of those events he won.

I wouldn't be surprised if Agassi doesn't even know that he won 6 more masters series titles than Sampras. A lot of fans don't realise how little players actually care about their career stats/achievements after they have retired and even during their careers in many cases, especially compared to those of us on tennis message boards. Sampras for example has talked about beating Becker to win his first Australian Open title in 1996 (I count 3 mistakes there), beating Agassi to win Wimbledon in 2000 and skipping RG in 2002. This shows how little he remembers or cares about his career activity.

Also current generation seem more squeaky clean compared to previous ones, when players like Sampras, Agassi, Borg, McEnroe and even the great fighter Connors regularly tanked matches at non-slam or less important tournaments when they couldn't be bothered.
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For Federer and Djokovic it will be hard because RIO is 4 years away and I don't expect both to be as fit as they are these days and it is only one chance. Djokovic should win the FO at least once in the next four years if he can keep his level up.

Nadal has the best chance, if he can get the USO2010 serve for a WTF I even give him a pretty good chance. But I don't know what he did to get that and if he can afford to get it again. Without that serve he is more likely than not to lose on fast indoor hard against Federer, Djokovic, Murray and maybe even Del Potro and Tsonga. But won't the WTF location change? If so it might get slower/bouncier?
Nadal already got US2010 serve in WTF2010, thats his best.
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LOL Sampras couldn't barely give a shit about the masters series event and you could see that with his attitude and the way he approached many of them during his career. He said himself many times that 'no-one cares how many times you win events like Cincy', and without looking it up I bet many people don't know that he won that event 3 times. It can't hurt him at all when he never cared about his masters series title count in the first place during his career, and after he retired he forgot about many of those events he won.

I wouldn't be surprised if Agassi doesn't even know that he won 6 more masters series titles than Sampras. A lot of fans don't realise how little players actually care about their career stats/achievements after they have retired and even during their careers in many cases, especially compared to those of us on tennis message boards. Sampras for example has talked about beating Becker to win his first Australian Open title in 1996 (I count 3 mistakes there), beating Agassi to win Wimbledon in 2000 and skipping RG in 2002. This shows how little he remembers or cares about his career activity.

Also current generation seem more squeaky clean compared to previous ones, when players like Sampras, Agassi, Borg, McEnroe and even the great fighter Connors regularly tanked matches at non-slam or less important tournaments when they couldn't be bothered.
OK, you made the point that his memory is bad pretty convincingly. To say he didn't even care about the majors cannot be true.

Anyone who wins as much as he did had to really "turn up" more than five times a year - wouldn't you agree? Certainly he tanked the European clay season pre FO (if he even bothered to show up) more often than not. Didn't see a whole lot of tanking in Cincy, though. 3 W, 2 F, 1 SF and 2 QFs in the span 1991-99. Together with Miami this is his best Masters.

I tend to think the "Nobody cares" argument came part as an excuse for not doing better. You would expect him to win at least as many as he has slams, given there are twice as many opportunities off clay. Or at the very least as many as he won in the lesser category ATP 500 (which wasn't called that at the time, I know).
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1. Wimbledon
2. US Open
3. Roland Garros
4. Australian Open
5. Year End Masters
6. Olympic Gold
7. Davis Cup
How many times? Davis Cup is a TEAM event. No one player can win it.
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All extremely unlikely, I don't think anyone of the 3 will achieve it. Of course at this point Nadal has the best chance for it just on the obvious fact that he probably has 4 chances for it before Fed or Djoko even get 1, barring retirement or drop of level.

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