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Re: Monday 16/7/12 Roger Federer breaks the all time weeks at no. 1 record. CONGRATS

Thread title ought to be changed. Fed has not broken the all time weeks at #1 record.

The Open Era record, yes, but not the all time record.

1. Pancho Gonzales- 364 weeks
2. Bill Tilden- 330 weeks
3. Don Budge- 303 weeks
4. Roger Federer- 299 weeks

He ought to pass or at least tie Budge in the next few weeks, and may tie Tilden next year. Gonzales will be tough to catch, but not impossible.

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Thread title ought to be changed. Fed has not broken the all time weeks at #1 record.

The Open Era record, yes, but not the all time record.

1. Pancho Gonzales- 364 weeks
2. Bill Tilden- 330 weeks
3. Don Budge- 303 weeks
4. Roger Federer- 299 weeks

He ought to pass or at least tie Budge in the next few weeks, and may tie Tilden next year. Gonzales will be tough to catch, but not impossible.
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I think in those days there were only 5 players on the entire tour. Respect though
Well, if you listen to this place, there are only 4-5 players on tour these days as well

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The record is tainted by the fact that most of Noserer's weeks at #1 were in a mug era of 2003-2007. With no competition, thrashing slam titans like Baldenko, Hewitt, Roddick and Clownbandian it was very easy for Noserer to dominate the top spot. His competition had no balls, talent, ruthlessness, ambition and the will to be the best. Tells a lot about his supposed dominance when a baby clay courter was his biggest rival in slams. But hey, he is still GOAT amongst his fangirl legion who think beating titans like Drugsquet and Haas in semis of a slam is a massive deal.
I think I'm just going to copy/paste this when the weak era shit gets brought up by Rafatards

2003-2007 - weak field, only Federer winning
2008-2009 - stronger field, Nadal wins off clay coincidentally at this same period after the "weak" field disappears, but then becomes weak with Federer taking over again
2010 - very strong field, Nadal still is winning off clay
2011 - weak field by Rafatards, strong field by Noletards, only Djokovic winning
2012 - weak field by Rafatards, strong field by Noletards at first, but Federer somehow wins Wimbledon and takes number 1 ranking again

just such full of contradictions and absolutely buffoonish hypocrisy depending on your biases.


Not sure how this thread became about Murray's talent, but for my two cents he definitely has talent. Sure, his forehand might be ugly and certainly quite poor compare to Federer, Djokovic and Nadal, but he still has fantastic touch, reads the game just as well as anyone else and when he actually uses them, has some of the best point constructing abilities in the game. Just because Murray has never had the confidence and mental strength of his 3 rivals, doesn't mean he isn't talented.. I mean look at this 2007 AO match against Rafa. He wasn't exactly a grinder as he is now, but you could clearly see the skill and talent he possessed especially at the net where his touch was phenomenal. I mean logical and respectful tennis fans (which doesn't include Failspindoctor) certainly place McEnroe near the top, if not at the top, in terms of talent yet he had a very unorthodox forehand (and in many ways his whole game was pretty "unique" in general)

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Thread title ought to be changed. Fed has not broken the all time weeks at #1 record.

The Open Era record, yes, but not the all time record.

Well, in fact he has. Gonzales & co didn't really get any weeks as #1 as none such were available at the time. They had to wait an entire year to see their name on top of a list for the 2nd time.

Besides, didn't you use to have more than three above him? And what's with 303? That's ten weeks short of six years....
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The record is tainted by the fact that most of Noserer's weeks at #1 were in a mug era of 2003-2007. With no competition, thrashing slam titans like Baldenko, Hewitt, Roddick and Clownbandian it was very easy for Noserer to dominate the top spot. His competition had no balls, talent, ruthlessness, ambition and the will to be the best. Tells a lot about his supposed dominance when a baby clay courter was his biggest rival in slams. But hey, he is still GOAT amongst his fangirl legion who think beating titans like Drugsquet and Haas in semis of a slam is a massive deal.
Next thing you'll post is the famous "uncle Toni equation":

11x2 = 22 >17

(x2 meaning strongest era ever compared to Olderer era)

OMG, Rafa is the GOAT!

8th day of July 2012: 7-time Wimbledon champion!

Once upon a time there was a myth about strong and weak eras. On this glorious day the clownery was eventually unmasked: 30 y.o. past-prime daddy Fed became #1 once again in the supposed strong "Spartan" era with his rivals at their peak.
And they all lived happily ever after.
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Next thing you'll post is the famous "uncle Toni equation":

11x2 = 22 >17

(x2 meaning strongest era ever compared to Olderer era)

OMG, Rafa is the GOAT!
He's not claiming 22 > 17, he's claiming 22 > 9. Anything won by Fed before Nadal arrived on the scene, or when Nadal withdrew/lost early, is discounted entirely. Anything won by Nadal counts double. So basically, if Rafa had won the Wimbledon finals in 2006-7, we would now have two majors more between them. As Fed won, they only counted for one each, Nadal wins would count for two each as the era would be much stronger then, obviously.

I always approve when the detractors logic is sufficiently far out to allow even the least informed to write it off as total, biased BS. Next he'll be claiming the sun is cold.
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at the end of the day, nobody of any significance feels the same way as you. no one. absolutely no one that has any ounce of credibility in the world of tennis or professional sport as a whole, would back you up on this or your other relentless attacks on "noserer" or his "fangirl legions".

i understand that it's very important for you to feel recognised, but please note that it's possible to respect a player of federer's calibre whilst still acknowledging that you simply prefer nadal's game.

but good lord. i read these boards from time to time, and every thread i go to you're speaking the same thing. are you worried that you're not being noticed? well, you are! much like the child who was crying throughout the film i saw on friday, everyone took note.

you are far too good of a poster and knowledgeable of a tennis fan to resort to such amateur theatrics.
I can't remember a decent post by him... he may actually be the first person I put on ignore. Every post is the same negativity ad nauseam... I actually pity him. Alone on his island of hate. Regardless of what your personal opinion is of Federer, or any top tennis player, they all deserve a certain level of respect as human beings and top sportsmen. Sadly a lot of cretins on here can't even show that.
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it's really simple:

fed wins => weak era

nadal/djokovic wins => strong era

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it's really simple:

fed wins => weak era

nadal/djokovic wins => strong era

Very true... it's like half the posters of MTF leave logic at the door before entering. I have never seen such bigotry, someone should write their thesis on some of these headcases!
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Thread title ought to be changed. Fed has not broken the all time weeks at #1 record.

The Open Era record, yes, but not the all time record.

1. Pancho Gonzales- 364 weeks
2. Bill Tilden- 330 weeks
3. Don Budge- 303 weeks
4. Roger Federer- 299 weeks

He ought to pass or at least tie Budge in the next few weeks, and may tie Tilden next year. Gonzales will be tough to catch, but not impossible.


Fake stats.

There was no weekly №1 rankings before 1973. Prior to that the rankings were determined on a year end basis.

So Pancho has the all time YE record
Roger has the all time weekly record
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Fake stats.

There was no weekly №1 rankings before 1973. Prior to that the rankings were determined on a year end basis.

So Pancho has the all time YE record
Roger has the all time weekly record
People didn't read my earlier post:

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Before computer rankings, it was impossible to know how many weeks a tennis player held the World No. 1 status. The only given were the Year-End rankings, but the number of tournaments was simply not the same in the The Golden Age of Tennis inside the Pro Era. Even the 70s rankings are a little stretched as to the number of consecutive weeks with a No.1 position. The computer rankings were run only a few times a year, unlike today.
Not even the 1973 rankings were weekly.
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it's really simple:

fed wins => weak era

nadal/djokovic wins => strong era

exactly.

This year belonged to the strongest era till June, then it became instantly a weak era in July when Olderer "fluked" the #1 ranking.

What a talentless mug this Olderer.

Also the count should be adjusted for weeks at #1 and y.e.

102x4 = 408 >>> 299

2x4=8 >>> 5

OMG, Rafa GOAT!

8th day of July 2012: 7-time Wimbledon champion!

Once upon a time there was a myth about strong and weak eras. On this glorious day the clownery was eventually unmasked: 30 y.o. past-prime daddy Fed became #1 once again in the supposed strong "Spartan" era with his rivals at their peak.
And they all lived happily ever after.
Long live King Federer!


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Re: Monday 16/7/12 Roger Federer breaks the all time weeks at no. 1 record. CONGRATS

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exactly.

This year belonged to the strongest era till June, then it became instantly a weak era in July when Olderer "fluked" the #1 ranking.

What a talentless mug this Olderer.

Also the count should be adjusted for weeks at #1 and y.e.

102x4 = 408 >>> 299

2x4=8 >>> 5

OMG, Rafa GOAT!
What's funny is that even if you multiply by 2 nadal's stats on weeks #1 and YE #1 are still worse than Roger's.

102 x 2 = 204 < 299
2 x 2 = 4 < 5


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