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Mark Miles - Players are themselves to blame for injuries/burnout, not the schedule

This is a bit Catch 22. Maybe if there wasn't so many events, the players would not play as many. IMO with the Davis Cup, Olympics, Masters Series, Grand Slams and then all the other smaller events waving large appearance cheques around it's the season that's too long that's to blame not the players themselves.

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Tennis: ATP chief says players to blame for burnout

Men's tennis chief Mark Miles says players have only themselves to blame for the fitness problems that have led to a wave of withdrawals from recent tournaments.

Organisers of the Masters Series events in Paris and Madrid have voiced concern after their tournaments were hit by big-name pullouts due to player fatigue and injuries.

Critics say there are too many tournaments on the ATP Tour but Miles, the ATP's chief executive, put the blame squarely on the players saying they were playing too many tournaments.

World No 1 Roger Federer, Australia's Lleyton Hewitt, Argentina's Guillermo Coria and Spain's Juan Carlos Ferrero, have all pulled out of tournaments in the past week.
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Re: Mark Miles - Players are themselves to blame for injuries/burnout, not the schedule

Kafelnikov had a fear of not playing a tournament during a given week, yet (Though I could be wrong) I don't remember him getting injured as much. I blame it on over practice. Some players spend as much as four to five hours a day practicing, and I disagree with that. I say a two hour session is the best for keeping everything fine-tuned, and if your not hitting something well, forget about it and return the next day-don't go bashing the same shot over and over again until you're satisfied. McEnroe's way of keeping out of injury was such. Most players are practice-holics, and end up burning themselves out in a fruitless search for the perfect feeling for a certain shot, when they should realize that if their serve is not going in, then maybe their muscles are too fatigued from trying to hit it all the time without enough rest!

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Re: Mark Miles - Players are themselves to blame for injuries/burnout, not the schedule

Frankly, I think that Miles has a point. If players are going to risk their bodies by agreeing to play anywhere that will show them the money, how is this the tour's fault? If players have sponsers that will pressure them to come back too early from an injury or to pick up more tournaments then they should, how is this the tour's fault? However, I don't think that this is a problem that should be blamed just on one group of individuals, when there are obviously a number of different factors at play. If the ATP didn't have tournaments that threw a lot of money at the players, they players wouldn't have those incentives to play more often... etc. etc. It goes both ways, but he's right in the sense that the players should bear some of the responsibility.

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Miles is only too right. A player only needs to play 18 tournaments to have a good chance of getting a high ranking. Players like Vicente used to play 38 tournaments a year and if you think about it, that is competing about 43 weeks a year excluding David Cup. Many players still play around 30 tournaments a year (34 weeks competition excluding Davis Cup).

The simple, but hard truth, is that many of the top players are just too greedy and compete more than they need to to earn their extra tens of thousands of dollars.

Look at model players like Hewitt - they only play around 22 tournaments a year and manage to remain relatively injury free.

The simple solution is that players play no more than 22/23 tournaments year. After all, after Grand Slams and Masters Series events, a player has 5 smaller tournaments that contribute to their ranking and some players play about 12 of those which is clearly unnecessary. They should be restricted to playing no more than 8 or something.
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Re: Mark Miles - Players are themselves to blame for injuries/burnout, not the schedule

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It goes both ways, but he's right in the sense that the players should bear some of the responsibility.
I agree. Look at JesusFed and the Duck. What the hell were they doing at Bangkok? Does they need the money? After reaching Wimbledon final, if u are a top player and want so badly to play the olympics and the hardcourt summer swing ending at U.S. Open, It's completely :retard: to schedule a trip to Asia. Who knows how they would be doing right now, with a nice resting and ending strong at Europe Indoor season. An Andy saying he's injured and playing exhibition matches ... Well, now you're carrying a bad taste to Houston

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Re: Mark Miles - Players are themselves to blame for injuries/burnout, not the schedule

Meh, it's a bit of both really. The players do have to schedule their years better than they currently are, but the season is still long in itself. Plus the ATP forces players to play all the big events and that's 13 right there. Also you want to have some match practice before these events, so players who play a smart schedule should be playing anywhere between about 19-24 events I would say. If the season was even just 2-3 weeks shorter, it would make a big difference. Also the DC fucks up with schedules quite a bit and the blame can be put on that as well.

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Re: Mark Miles - Players are themselves to blame for injuries/burnout, not the schedule

Best of 18 is a bit much
but then again the players scheduling leaves alot to be desired.

Tennis has always been a non-stop grind
that didnt stop players of previous generations.

You cant have you cake and eat it, then puke it up all over the guys who gave it to you


Make ranks best of 14. but taking on Tiriac's solution, missing 2 TMS means you cant play end of year TMC.
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Sure it didn't stop players from previous generations, but things change. It's MUCH harder to play a full season now as it was 20 years ago. Take that into consideration ans I'm sure players take more hits/injuries to their bodies now than before. ALso before loads of events were played on grass which is easy on your feet/body whereas now the tour is dominated with hardcourt/clay surfaces.

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Re: Mark Miles - Players are themselves to blame for injuries/burnout, not the schedule

He's right

It's the players who choose there schuedles and if there getting injured then they shouldn't play as much not cos of schuedle
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Best of 18 is a bit much
but then again the players scheduling leaves alot to be desired.

Tennis has always been a non-stop grind
that didnt stop players of previous generations.

You cant have you cake and eat it, then puke it up all over the guys who gave it to you


Make ranks best of 14. but taking on Tiriac's solution, missing 2 TMS means you cant play end of year TMC.
Rankings best of 14 is dumb. That's way too few events and the smaller events won't be able to hold up their ends because top players will blow off even more of these events than they already do now. Also not making the TMC because you missed at least 2 TMS events is retarded. I think players should be forced to play at least 6 of the 9 TMS events because these tournaments do take a toll on you since all of them are paired with another TMS event that usually follows the very next week.

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He's right

It's the players who choose there schuedles and if there getting injured then they shouldn't play as much not cos of schuedle
So then why all the bitching and complaining when players Do pull out of events? You make your schedule at the start of the year not even knowing what kind of a year you will be having. The tour pushes players to play certain events so it is at least partly the ATP's fault as well.

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Sure it didn't stop players from previous generations, but things change. It's MUCH harder to play a full season now as it was 20 years ago. Take that into consideration ans I'm sure players take more hits/injuries to their bodies now than before. ALso before loads of events were played on grass which is easy on your feet/body whereas now the tour is dominated with hardcourt/clay surfaces.
Sampras, Becker, Edberg etc had no worries and they didnt finish 20 yrs ago.
And even 20 yrs ago there wasnt that much more grass events, just Aus Open and a couple before, but most players then played Indoors in London/Europe then flew to Australia to play Aus Open

its got nothing to do with clay, they are just as easy on the feet, as grass.

its hard courts, just get rid of half those events and most things will be ok.
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Clay is as easy on the feet as grass, but the rallies last like 5 x longer, so it takes a pounding on your body. Heck even 10 years ago it was easier to play on tour than it is now. Things change, people get stronger, people hit the ball harder, first round matches aren't a piece of cake anymore. You need to be ready for battle from the start of each tournament. imo you can't just lump all of the injuries to one surface, as you are doing with the hardcourts. It's the whole entire year in general.

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i can see the arguments from both sides but does anyone else think its weird that miles is blaming the players when he's the head of the atp??? should he not be defending the players?

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Re: Mark Miles - Players are themselves to blame for injuries/burnout, not the schedule

All I have to say is that he's lucky he didn't have to run the WTA this year. When comparing the two, it's like night and day. The women get to do whatever they want while the men at least have guidelines and rules to follow and usually follow them to a tee.

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