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post #181 of 212 (permalink) Old 05-05-2013, 01:17 AM
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Re: Nalbandian vs Davydenko: Who was the better player/whose peak level is higher/etc

I think David was a bit superior. Both in terms of career and peak level.

I think Haas vs Davydenko would be a good comparison.

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Re: Nalbandian vs Davydenko: Who was the better player/whose peak level is higher/etc

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I think David was a bit superior. Both in terms of career and peak level.

I think Haas vs Davydenko would be a good comparison.
In terms of career, it'd be a pretty pointless comparison.

Davydenko WTF/TMC winner > Haas hasn't even played in the year-end event ever

Davydenko 3 Masters 1000 > Haas 1

21 titles > 13

Also far more stability as a top player.


I suppose we could argue about peak level, but career wise Davydenko has done much, much better. Haas does have a Olympic silver medal going for him though, forgot that.

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I'll go with Nalbandian because he didn't choke to Federer as much as Davydenko did. Nalbandian was also affected by injuries much more so I'll give his superiority the benefit of the doubt.
Davydenko didn't choke. He got outplayed. Hence Fat Dave is the winner here.
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Davydenko didn't choke. He got outplayed. Hence Fat Dave is the winner here.
Not always.

USO 06 and 07 Fed thumped him, but AO 06 and 10 Denko was in charge of both matches and shit his pants.

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Not always.

USO 06 and 07 Fed thumped him, but AO 06 and 10 Denko was in charge of both matches and shit his pants.
He was a bit unlucky to always be in Federer's half for hardcourt Slams (and even FO), could have finals otherwise. His best chance was AO 2007 when he was in Rafa's half; he lost 7-5 in the fifth to Haas in the QF. Had he made it through that one, I'd favor him to beat Gonzalez (despite Gonzo's form) since it's a highly favorable matchup for him.

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In terms of career, it'd be a pretty pointless comparison.

Davydenko WTF/TMC winner > Haas hasn't even played in the year-end event ever

Davydenko 3 Masters 1000 > Haas 1

21 titles > 13

Also far more stability as a top player.


I suppose we could argue about peak level, but career wise Davydenko has done much, much better. Haas does have a Olympic silver medal going for him though, forgot that.
Yes. Of course Davy's career was better, but Haas' career was destroyed by injuries. In peak level they're close and also in terms of consistency (considering when Haas could stay injury-free for a relatively long period of time).

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Re: Nalbandian vs Davydenko: Who was the better player/whose peak level is higher/etc

Davydenko more steady overall week in and week out.

Peak level was obviously Nalbandian.

Dave had a 7-5 H2H lead overall.


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Not always.

USO 06 and 07 Fed thumped him, but AO 06 and 10 Denko was in charge of both matches and shit his pants.
AO 10 Fed played unbelievable to come back, 06 I don't remember.
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AO 10 Fed played unbelievable to come back, 06 I don't remember.
He played well towards the end of the match but Davydenko from having bp's for *4-1 went into complete and utter meltdown until 2-6 6-3 3-0 and then Fed played excellently from there IIRC, with Davy at least recovering in the 4th.

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Re: Nalbandian vs Davydenko: Who was the better player/whose peak level is higher/etc

Love both, but judging by those stats alone, I'd go with Nalbandian in most respects. Davydenko's finals record (and possibly career) is far better, but a lot of the finals are 250's, so considering just the biggest tournaments, there isn't a huge difference between their achievements. In terms of being well-rounded surface-wise, Nalbandian has done more on grass, and was a threat on any surface. His Madrid and Paris runs were hugely impressive, good indicators of peak level, and the fact that he didn't sustain that kind of level more often is unfortunate. Oh, and then there's the H2H in favor of Nalbandian.

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Yes. Of course Davy's career was better, but Haas' career was destroyed by injuries. In peak level they're close and also in terms of consistency (considering when Haas could stay injury-free for a relatively long period of time).
I agree with this. That said, I made the comparison between Davydenko and Nalbandian because their achievements are very similar imo.

Davydenko has a slight edge in terms of first tier titles (3 Masters + WTF > 2 Masters + WTF), although Nalbandian's M1000 title runs were more memorable, and overall titles. He was also generally more consistent and lasted longer as a top player (until his wrist injury in 2010 really). But Nalbandian has the edge at Slams with a final and semis at all 4 Slams, and many would argue that he has a higher peak level.

They are in the same tier as players who did almost everything they could do in their careers bar winning a Slam - they have titles in all other categories really.

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I think in terms of career achievements Davydenko edges it for me. That finals record is fantastic and he maintained a consistent ranking for a long time.

It's also worth noting that Davydenko lost to Federer in 3 slam semifinals and 2 quarterfinals whereas Nalbandian only played him in one semi. Without that obstacle he'd easily have a few slam finals. He was also cheated in his only other semi when he lost to doping Puerta.

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I think in terms of career achievements Davydenko edges it for me. That finals record is fantastic and he maintained a consistent ranking for a long time.

It's also worth noting that Davydenko lost to Federer in 3 slam semifinals and 2 quarterfinals whereas Nalbandian only played him in one semi. Without that obstacle he'd easily have a few slam finals. He was also cheated in his only other semi when he lost to doping Puerta.
I'm not sure. Obviously Federer is a very tough opponent for anyone, especially in slams, but Davydenko lost to Federer just as much outside the slams (2-19 overall) whereas Nalbandian was a decent 8-11 against him. I'm not saying that with Davydenko's draw, Nalbandian would have done much better, but certainly at least somewhat better.

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I'm not sure. Obviously Federer is a very tough opponent for anyone, especially in slams, but Davydenko lost to Federer just as much outside the slams (2-19 overall) whereas Nalbandian was a decent 8-11 against him. I'm not saying that with Davydenko's draw, Nalbandian would have done much better, but certainly at least somewhat better.
Nalbandian definitely matched up better vs Federer, would have probably won the RG 2006 semi if not for injury and beat Fed twice at a Slam and in the final of the WTF. That only makes his failure to win a Slam stand out even more though, as Federer was by far the biggest obstacle and one that he could negotiate unlike Davydenko (not to mention he also matches up well vs Nadal).

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Re: Nalbandian vs Davydenko: Who was the better player/whose peak level is higher/etc

I like both players. The Burger king edges it for me. At his best even Federer struggled to deal with him.
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