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Re: Rafael Nadal: Clay Warrior's Hunt for 50 Clay Titles

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He is alredy King of clay, best ever on clay, doesn´t matter how many clay titles he will have at the end of his career. I mean he can have 10 per year easily with going to South America and make Almagro sad at the beginning of the year and win those 250s + Acapulco... Muster´s record is good, but comparing to Rafa it is joke, i mean Muser had like million what currently would be 250s and just 1 RG and he was king of clay of 90s.... Raf on other hand from his clay titles has 7 RG, 8 MC, 6 Rome and 2Hamburg/Madrid - 4 biggest events on clay and Rafa has so many of them.. if i include Barcelona which is arguably most prestigious 500 clay event historically - Hamburg was Masters,, so if i include Barcelonas than his numbers from 5 biggest clay events are fantastic and even if somebody like Muster had 200 clay titles from those ,,250,, of his era... it is nothing comparing to Rafa´s clay titles from biggest events.
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Nadal could have won 100 clay titles if he played all those claycourt tournaments Muster and Vilas played every year. Like 10-15 clay tournaments every year, many of them without facing a top 50 player.
You are quite likely right that he could have won extra titles, had he made the effort. Fact is, he didn't. He's made his own choices given the environment he has played in, just like those other players made their choices within their environment. The point of this thread is to discuss if he will eventually win 50 titles. If you don't care, then you don't care, simple enough. Thanks for your input.

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You are quite likely right that he could have won extra titles, had he made the effort. Fact is, he didn't. He's made his own choices given the environment he has played in, just like those other players made their choices within their environment. The point of this thread is to discuss if he will eventually win 50 titles. If you don't care, then you don't care, simple enough. Thanks for your input.

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Yes i get it, my point is it doesn´t matter if he will surpass title wise Muster or Villas, because already he achieved much more on clay, because he won the ,, big ones,, on clay

About 50- i don´t think he will win 50 on clay, because he has 36 right now and will be playing 3 clay Masters + RG + Barcelona in next seasons on clay, i don´t think he will win more than 3,4 per year, so don´t think he will win 50- maybe about 45
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Re: Rafael Nadal: Clay Warrior's Hunt for 50 Clay Titles

Money in the bank, this.
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Yes i get it, my point is it doesn´t matter if he will surpass title wise Muster or Villas, because already he achieved much more on clay, because he won the ,, big ones,, on clay

About 50- i don´t think he will win 50 on clay, because he has 36 right now and will be playing 3 clay Masters + RG + Barcelona in next seasons on clay, i don´t think he will win more than 3,4 per year, so don´t think he will win 50- maybe about 45
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Re: Rafael Nadal: Clay Warrior's Hunt for 50 Clay Titles

theoretically he can win, it depends how soon Rafa will decline. Clay surface requres power and endurance, if he can sustain both of them why not.

I would say he has the same chances to win 50 clay titles as Federer to 100 titles overall
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Re: Rafael Nadal: Clay Warrior's Hunt for 50 Clay Titles

its such a weak clay field i cant imagine him not winning 50, 60+ clay titles

nole's a hard courter who has no right getting far on grass or clay= but since grass and clay now play like slow hard courts nole is suddenly a champ on those surfaces

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Re: Rafael Nadal: Clay Warrior's Hunt for 50 Clay Titles

If Nadal gets adds Umag, Stuttgart and the Mexican-South American swing to his sched, he should meet that target in 3 years flat.

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Re: Rafael Nadal: Clay Warrior's Hunt for 50 Clay Titles

This is the only surface he can win titles now. He has regressed to being a claycourter.
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I think it comes down to a choice on how he wants to proceed with his career. Does he want to continue as he has and participate and try winning everywhere (clay, hard courts, grass, indoors) as long as he is able, or does he decide to maximize his chances for longevity and winning tournaments?

He hasn't won a title on grass or hard courts since Tokyo in 2010. Of course that doesn't mean he can't win a title on those surfaces, after all he just barely lost the AO final and others, but one would have to say his chances to win are less than elsewhere, because the competition is relatively stronger on hard courts and grass, and with a #3 ranking likely for the next few months, the odds are even tougher.

I think if he takes the first choice, I think he'll leave the tour earlier and fall short of 50 clay titles.

So, here is one strategy to maximize his chances of winning tournaments:

1. He needs to protect his physical health and fortify his psyche to continue playing and winning titles for a few years more. I think if he doesn't, he may leave tennis much sooner than later.

2. To do this, I think he has to restrict his play on hard courts as much as possible. Hard courts are the biggest danger to his longevity, his joints, knees in particular. They are also a bigger danger to his psyche and attitude toward playing longer. The more he loses, the tougher it is for him to be mentally passionate about the game. So, he should put himself in events where he maximizes his chances of winning and minimizes his chances of injury. So this means skipping hard court tournaments wherever he can, and strategically exiting those that are mandatory.

3. Then, I think he needs to practice and play on clay courts as much as possible. One option would be to play the South/Central American events as well as the European Clay events. Clay is what revives him, clay keeps his spirits up and instills confidence in himself. Not only this, but his participation in the South American events, might draw more people and encourage some of those events to remain as clay court events for now instead of converting to hard, as has been rumored. Additionally it might influence the surface choice at the new 500 Rio tournament to begin in 2014 (I don't think the surface choice has been made yet).

Using this simple strategy, I could see him reasonably winning a variety of titles on clay for the next 4 or 5 years.
In Europe:
1 or 2 more at Roland Garros (2000).
4 more at Monte-Carlo (1000) and Barcelona (500).
1 more in Rome. (1000)
1 or 2 in Hamburg (500)
1 or 2 in Estoril (250)
maybe others like Stuttgart, Umag

In the Americas:
2 in Acapulco (500)
2 in Buenos Aires (250)
2 in Sao Paulo (250)
1 or 2 in Rio ? (500) if it's clay

That's 14 right there even if I stay on the low side, and only 3 tourneys are 250 events.

This is one possible plan and I have no idea if he would do it, but this is all conjecture anyway.

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Re: Rafael Nadal: Clay Warrior's Hunt for 50 Clay Titles

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This is the only surface he can win titles now. He has regressed to being a claycourter.
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Re: Rafael Nadal: Clay Warrior's Hunt for 50 Clay Titles

Federer has a better chance of reaching 100 titles. Hope this helps.
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This is the only surface he can win titles now. He has regressed to being a claycourter.
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Re: Rafael Nadal: Clay Warrior's Hunt for 50 Clay Titles

If people would actually think before making threads we wouldn't have crap like this.

There is no chance Nadal will get 50 clay court tournaments unless he opts to go for MM's instead of masters.
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It is possible. He will at least break the record for most clay titles.
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