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Is there any chance Ferrer is ranked 4th at Aussie Open?
Yes, but for that he will most probably have to reach the WTF final. It is conceivable the SF will be enough with three group wins if he also wins two DC ties and Nadal does not participate.
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Rafa's 90 points at Doha should also take into account for MELBOURNE seeds
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So Novak played that Querrey match for $400.000 + R1 money. No, it wasn't a tank.

Roger passed on $800.000
What are you talking about? Federer will have a million in bonus pool money. Remember, he has 2 exemptions and he played his 6 of 8 (IW, Miami, Madrid, Rome, Cincinnati, Shanghai).


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Rafa should play Doha and Ferrer has 250 points to defend in Auckland.
Auckland is one week after the seedings are made for the Australian open, and anyway Ferrer's points for his win in Auckland are not countable and will still be not countable after DC final (his points from his Buenos-Aires win are not countable either, that's the kind of things the vulture theoricians don't understand : Ferrer doesn't need those points to be where he is)

Nadal's points from Doha 2011 will be taken off entirely (but he can replace them with a good run in Doha 2012 indeed), and just in time for the AO seedings.

But anyway it's not the main thing : to be able to get over Nadal before the Australian open, Ferrer needs at least 600 points in the WTF, which means a final and 2 RR wins, or a semifinal and 3 RR wins. Both are possible but not likely of course.

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anyway, with his wins in Valencia and Paris, Ferrer now gets more chance to get to number 4 at one moment in time.

After the Australian open the situation is now like that :
- Djokovic 9420
- Federer 8745
- Murray 6720
- Ferrer 5625
- Nadal 5400
- Berdych 4045

after Acapulco (seedings for Indian Wells) :
Nadal 5400
Ferrer 5185

after Miami (seedings for Monte-Carlo) :
Ferrer 4960
Nadal 4680

after Barcelona (seedings for Madrid) :
Ferrer 4650
Nadal 3180

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EDIT : WHAT I SAID HERE IS WRONG APPARENTLY, I PROBABLY ACCIDENTALLY LOOKED AT THE RACE RATHER THAN THE RANKINGS

the rankings are out : not only did they take out PAris-Bercy points from last year but also points from all late challengers last year, which was not in the answer Slasher had received from the ATP.

But they didn't change anything about futures : futures played during Basel last year are still in the ranking points

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the rankings are out : not only did they take out PAris-Bercy points from last year but also points from all late challengers last year, which was not in the answer Slasher had received from the ATP.

But they didn't change anything about futures : futures played during Basel last year are still in the ranking points
Not really... They didn't pull anything like that out. The synchronization went fine. There were some internet problems here all weekend, so I really have no idea how good the updates worked. Now, it's all fine.
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Not really... They didn't pull anything like that out. The synchronization went fine. There were some internet problems here all weekend, so I really have no idea how good the updates worked. Now, it's all fine.
really ? late challengers have not been taken out ?

did I check the Race rather than the rankings ?

I had Berlocq at 720 at home on the ATP website (which I can't check at work) rather than 800, but I see that Steveg has him at 800 as well.

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I had Berlocq at 720 at home on the ATP website (which I can't check at work) rather than 800, but I see that Steveg has him at 800 as well.
He's at 800 now on the ATP website, so it might have been an error.
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Is there any chance Ferrer is ranked 4th at Aussie Open?
Ferrer needs 670 points, which means either 2 RR wins plus a semifinal win or 3 RR wins plus 2 live Davis Cup wins. The former is the only real possibility though.

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EDIT : WHAT I SAID HERE IS WRONG APPARENTLY, I PROBABLY ACCIDENTALLY LOOKED AT THE RACE RATHER THAN THE RANKINGS

the rankings are out : not only did they take out PAris-Bercy points from last year but also points from all late challengers last year, which was not in the answer Slasher had received from the ATP.

But they didn't change anything about futures : futures played during Basel last year are still in the ranking points
Just a heads-up: at some point after the US Open every year, the ATP website changes so that clicking on the rankings tab takes you directly to the race, not the actual rankings.

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Does anyone have provisional 3-months, 6-months or 9-months ATP rankings? I am always interested in seeing how the players have done in the short-term. Who has earned the most points since Roland Garros, or since Wimbledon, or since the US Open, for example? Thanks a lot in advance!

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Re: Unofficial Live ATP Rankings [in Post #1]

Slasher, why do you say that everyone, except for Ferrer and Federer, has been knocked out of the WTF?

Paris was last week, not next week.

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I don't really understand why when a player retires that they are still in the ranking if they want to be, they should be taken off the computer right away, it makes no sense to still be there, it's just taking up a spot for others, ATP has to change this.

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Slasher, why do you say that everyone, except for Ferrer and Federer, has been knocked out of the WTF?

Paris was last week, not next week.
Please have patience with these things. It was obviously an error, which has now been remedied. I apologize for the inconvenience.

Why was it happening ? Simple... ATP was not actually taking Paris out from the Schedule they have. They just comment their code, but the tournament data was still there. My code takes anything that is on that page and, if it is not present in the current tournament list, adds it as a next week tournament. Paris was taken out since the tournament was finished, that is why it was being called for next week. I had to add new code to account for this change (specific only for this week). The players called as eliminated or retired was caused by this change as well, because the automated system was checking Paris all over again.

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I don't really understand why when a player retires that they are still in the ranking if they want to be, they should be taken off the computer right away, it makes no sense to still be there, it's just taking up a spot for others, ATP has to change this.
Players retiring is not by ATP choice, but by player choice. The players basically announce they won't be playing any more tournaments, which does not concern the ATP. ATP doesn't have to do anything. Players can change their mind and continue playing despite announcing not playing anymore. They shouldn't be taken out of the rankings unless the player asks this or the player has violated parts of the conduct code. It's correct the way it is now. Retiring is not like signing a contract with ATP. In fact, the player doesn't even have to tell the ATP he is retiring (maybe except for commitment players).

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