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Comparison: Donald Young and Christophe Rochus.

I went to sleep thinking about this and for me, it totally works. Results-wise, game-wise, athletically/physically. Chris was known as the bagel boy of the ATP tour but he also had occasional runs where he would beat great players and had some big results, mixed in with tons of R1 losses. On court, Chris was mopey often, complained a lot, and often times effectively quit once falling behind in a match (fixing has some to do with that).

IMO, Chris Rochus had more consistent pop and was a smarter, slicker player than Don is, but their overall games and ability level are basically equal. I also think, as it stands now, that's the type of career Donald will have unless he improves in his mid/late 20s. What do you all think?
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Re: Comparison: Donald Young and Christophe Rochus.

Their ability levels are equal? Young is by far the more talented player, but also a bigger headcase. Rochus, in my opinion, lacked passion and often didn't care. He always looked like he hated being a tennis player, and I am surprised he didn't retire a few years earlier than he did.

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Re: Comparison: Donald Young and Christophe Rochus.

Oh and Young is best on fast surfaces; Rochus on clay. Really not many similarities in their games either.

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Re: Comparison: Donald Young and Christophe Rochus.

Rochus' defeat of Djokovic must have been his highlight? What a ridiculous match that was.
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Their ability levels are equal? Young is by far the more talented player, but also a bigger headcase. Rochus, in my opinion, lacked passion and often didn't care. He always looked like he hated being a tennis player, and I am surprised he didn't retire a few years earlier than he did.
I agree about Rochus' lack of passion or dedication, I think Donald has a bit more talent, but I don't think he's a significantly better player than Rochus was, at his peak he may be, but he rarely plays at that level. They have very similar traits. The fact Rochus was more of a claycourter is true, that's a big difference between the two.

Both guys are/were short counterpunchers without a big weapon and good serve. Both are decent but not overwhelmingly great movers. And they both have attitude problems.
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Rochus' defeat of Djokovic must have been his highlight? What a ridiculous match that was
That's Olivier, though. Christophe never played against Novak.
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Re: Comparison: Donald Young and Christophe Rochus.

I'm inclined to say Christophe overachieved despite how often he gave up, Young (and Olivier) underachieved

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I'm inclined to say Christophe overachieved despite how often he gave up, Young (and Olivier) underachieved
Olivier really is tiny though, most wta players are bigger. Serena could eat two of him for breakfast and still feel peckish.

Still won two titles though, as well as making a pile more finals - made finals on all surfaces also, 3 hard, 2 clay, 3 indoor, 2 grass.

Given that he's so easily overpowered, and a hopeless returner against any pace because of his size (he eats more aces than anyone else, see 21 vs Sijsling in two sets), he's done pretty well imo.
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Re: Comparison: Donald Young and Christophe Rochus.

this ^^^

olivier rochus making it on tour at all is a miracle of sorts.

even his official height of 1.68m is generous to say the least.

as for the topic, I agree there are some similarites. both rely on variety and angles because of a relative lack of power.

pretty sure young is a lot smaller than his official 1.83m as well, though still quite a bit bigger than christophe.

c. rochus seems to be one of the most unpopular players ever, partly because of his match fixing and propensity for bagels but he had a really nice game when on. watching him out-santoro santoro in the frenchman's final roland garros was glorious.
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Re: Comparison: Donald Young and Christophe Rochus.

Rochus' height is an issue it's true, but he kinda figured out how to get around it. Look at how many times he's choked away huge wins, or how close he can play anyone when on (choked to jesusfed on grass) and you'll see he shouldve done more.

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Re: Comparison: Donald Young and Christophe Rochus.

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Rochus' height is an issue it's true, but he kinda figured out how to get around it. Look at how many times he's choked away huge wins, or how close he can play anyone when on (choked to jesusfed on grass) and you'll see he shouldve done more.
This is an oversimplification because it operates on the incorrect assumption that Olivier failing to serve out a set or match = choking. With a serve as weak and attackable as his, there's not a whole lot he can do if you play a great return game. He simply has no way to dictate and end points on his own terms. So you are probably greatly overestimating how many matches he has truly "choked".
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Re: Comparison: Donald Young and Christophe Rochus.

I mean, not really. He had MP on Both serve and return vs Federer, 2-1 set lead vs Djokovic

he gets tight vs big players always. I remember the torture of watching him beat Djokovic on the scoreboard where he should have won about 45 times before he did. He fights really hard, but is a terrible pressure player (Almagro, Ferrer)

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I'm inclined to say Christophe overachieved despite how often he gave up, Young (and Olivier) underachieved
Young's 22, Rochus retired . .

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