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post #1 of 50 (permalink) Old 06-09-2012, 02:30 PM Thread Starter
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More Impressive: CYGS or NCYGS?

It was last week or so, and Federer was doing an interview, talking about Djoker trying to match Laver, holding all 4 majors at the same time.

And Roger basically said he thought it was MORE impressive doing it NCYGS, in reference to Djokovic. He said something like:

"Anybody can get hot for 6 months, 9 months, and win all 4. But to be consistently dominant for 12 months? That is tougher. Rafa had a chance, I had 2 chances, it is very tough."

Something like that he said. So the question, which is more impressive?

Also, what was Roger's motive for saying this? Trying to downgrade Laver's achievements? Trying to put more pressure on Djokovic? A little bit of both?

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Re: More Impressive: CYGS or NCYGS?

I think Calender, to keep up such form over 9 months, and on the different surfaces is god like. Of course Laver only had to deal with 2 surfaces.

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As an achievement, CYGS is the hardest to achieve.


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Re: More Impressive: CYGS or NCYGS?

I mean, the CYGS is so elusive. You HAVE to start in Australia, and only 1 man per year has the chance to win all 4.

With the NCYGS, anyone can start the streak of 4 anywhere.

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Wasn't he comparing it to Djokovic's win streak last year?

Either way, it's CYGS.
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Re: More Impressive: CYGS or NCYGS?

If you truly analyse Laver's achievements, as good as they were, they wouldn't be a patch on Novak winning RG and holding all four titles.

There's so many reasons why as well. From the number of competitors Novak faces nowadays, to the variety in the different surfaces etc.

I'm not sure why it matters at all that it's technically not in the same year. Just a cop-out for those who dislike Novak and want to try and discredit his achievements.
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If you truly analyse Laver's achievements, as good as they were, they wouldn't be a patch on Novak winning RG and holding all four titles.

There's so many reasons why as well. From the number of competitors Novak faces nowadays, to the variety in the different surfaces etc.

I'm not sure why it matters at all that it's technically not in the same year. Just a cop-out for those who dislike Novak and want to try and discredit his achievements.
Not at all. Djokovic with four majors in a row (potentially rising to five) and double digit slams at the end of his career is at least a third tier GOAT candidate.

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CYGS. Because you have THREE switches. Hard -> Clay -> Grass -> Hard

NCYGS is Clay -> Grass -> Hard & Hard (or Grass -> Hard & Hard -> Clay).

CYGS > NCYGS > Career GS
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Re: More Impressive: CYGS or NCYGS?

Also, to win 4 titles in a NCY isn't actually any different from a CYS. You have to win each of the four slams a row regardless of whether it's a CYS or a NCYGS. If anything surely having to maintain your form over two seasons is MORE impressive that just the one?

When it's the off-season players have time to rest, train and come back better than ever, but once the season starts there's really not much time for that mid-season.
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Re: More Impressive: CYGS or NCYGS?

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It was last week or so, and Federer was doing an interview, talking about Djoker trying to match Laver, holding all 4 majors at the same time.

And Roger basically said he thought it was MORE impressive doing it NCYGS, in reference to Djokovic. He said something like:

"Anybody can get hot for 6 months, 9 months, and win all 4. But to be consistently dominant for 12 months? That is tougher. Rafa had a chance, I had 2 chances, it is very tough."

Something like that he said. So the question, which is more impressive?

Also, what was Roger's motive for saying this? Trying to downgrade Laver's achievements? Trying to put more pressure on Djokovic? A little bit of both?
Well no one has been that hot for 9 months since Laver, so I'm not sure what to make of Rogi's comments there. However a NCYGS is also quite impressive as Roger suggests because it basically means you've been the dominant player for a longer period than just the 9 months required to win a CYGS. I don't think there's a huge difference to be honest. Depending on how you look at it, both are incredibly impressive. Let's not forget there's hardly any break between WTF and the January swing, especially for those with DC commitments...which just adds more weight to Roger's argument... There's no easy answer.
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Re: More Impressive: CYGS or NCYGS?

As long as the player wins four majors in a row, it doesn't matter if it was done within a calendar year or not. It's still extremely difficult to achieve.

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Re: More Impressive: CYGS or NCYGS?

CYGS. And I don't think anybody will repeat it...

Also, although Fed thinks 2006 & 2007 were his best chances at the CYGS, I actually think it was 2009 (the one year he didn't have to face Rafa at the French). If only he'd won those fifth sets at the AO and USO...
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Re: More Impressive: CYGS or NCYGS?

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Re: More Impressive: CYGS or NCYGS?

I think Federer was talking about Djokovic's winning streak in 2011 compared to holding all 4 GS.
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CYGS. Because you have THREE switches. Hard -> Clay -> Grass -> Hard

NCYGS is Clay -> Grass -> Hard & Hard (or Grass -> Hard & Hard -> Clay).

CYGS > NCYGS > Career GS
I found this to be the best analysis. It's basically the same unless we account for the surface transitions. Then you can see why the CYGS is hardest to achieve.
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