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Re: What are your expectations of Jo Wilfried Tsonga for the grass season?

Pretty high - I expect him to win a title and make the SF at Wimbledon.

Whether the Novak choke hurts him though could be interesting.

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Re: What are your expectations of Jo Wilfried Tsonga for the grass season?

Difficult to say. He could win Queen's and reach the Wimbledon final (maybe even win it) with a decent draw if Stronga shows up.

However, Clownga could get knocked out in straight sets in R3 of Wimbledon by Tomic.

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Re: What are your expectations of Jo Wilfried Tsonga for the grass season?

Tsonga should figure out whether he wants to hit a 2hbh or a 1hbh before he enters any tournaments.

What other player do you see switching between the two? It will only ever result in you having a very mediocre 2hbh and 1hbh instead of a strong 1hbh or a strong 2hbh - which is precisely what has happened in Tsonga's case.
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Re: What are your expectations of Jo Wilfried Tsonga for the grass season?

The margins on grass are a lot smaller then on clay.When he beat Federer,he had like 1 great return game in the last 3 sets and other then that he didn`t do much on the return but served well throughout.
If his serve is working,he can compete against anyone on grass,but as usual it all comes down to a couple of big points,a tiebreaker maybe and that could make a difference between a R4 loss or going all the way to semis/final
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Re: What are your expectations of Jo Wilfried Tsonga for the grass season?

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Tsonga should figure out whether he wants to hit a 2hbh or a 1hbh before he enters any tournaments.

What other player do you see switching between the two? It will only ever result in you having a very mediocre 2hbh and 1hbh instead of a strong 1hbh or a strong 2hbh - which is precisely what has happened in Tsonga's case.
Yea , you are right. But he did that just beacuse that he isn't confident about his backhand. That's it .
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Re: What are your expectations of Jo Wilfried Tsonga for the grass season?

I have big expectations for him, just like for Berdych, i think top 4 + Tsonga, Berdych together we have something like big 6 on grass - i think each of them will make QF at Wimbledon, others are not good enough to beat them - maybe somebody like Raonic can knock down in Tie-breaks one of them. Already Queens will be interresting to see how mentally Jo is - after that how he said biggest loss in his career. He will be No.5 seeded, so he should make QF pretty easily, even No.9 Delpo in R16 shouldn´t be problem for him on grass. In QF i think Tsonga can beat anyone, but Murray is i think toughest match-up for him, he can outserve-outpower Federer, he can beat Nole for sure and i would like his chances agianst Rafa in QF - no pressure on him, grass still not superslow.

Olympics-this is best of 3- here will depends on draw i think a lot. REally somebody like RAonic has it easier at best of 3just win 2 tie-breaks, or serve like god for 1hour and half and job done. But the same goes for Tsonga- when in ZONE he can win 2 tie-breaks and beat each of top 4 - esily round after round.
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Re: What are your expectations of Jo Wilfried Tsonga for the grass season?

Queens; Winner if Murray is not there, Final if he is. Could go either way
Wimbledon; If he draws Nole, Fed or Murray he has a chance for SF and even final. Draws Nadal - no hope. I think he would prefer Nole to Murray tbh.
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hard to say, I expect a good showing at Wimbledon, QF at least

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Queens; Winner if Murray is not there, Final if he is. Could go either way
Wimbledon; If he draws Nole, Fed or Murray he has a chance for SF and even final. Draws Nadal - no hope. I think he would prefer Nole to Murray tbh.
Olympics: 4th place
Why has no chance vs Nadal? He has exactly the game NAdal doesn´t like, if he is in Zone his serve is huge, his power-agressive game is what you need to beat NAdal on any surface and he is great volleyear, can finish points vs Nadal at the net. I like his chances in QF vs Nadal. Each round further i would say Rafa is higher and hihger favorite, because of pressure, confidence, even grass - how destroyed it is, but in QF i like Tsonga´s chances vs NAdal.
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Why has no chance vs Nadal? He has exactly the game NAdal doesn´t like, if he is in Zone his serve is huge, his power-agressive game is what you need to beat NAdal on any surface and he is great volleyear, can finish points vs Nadal at the net. I like his chances in QF vs Nadal. Each round further i would say Rafa is higher and hihger favorite, because of pressure, confidence, even grass - how destroyed it is, but in QF i like Tsonga´s chances vs NAdal.
I have a bad feeling that Nadal will be in beast mode on grass this year. No one will stop him

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Re: What are your expectations of Jo Wilfried Tsonga for the grass season?

In order for Tsonga to win a GS he would have to most likely beat at least two, if not three of the 'Big Three'.

Given that, we can safely say he has absolutely no chance.

It's really that simple.
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Re: What are your expectations of Jo Wilfried Tsonga for the grass season?

So Wimbledon was a good tournament for Jo, but not great as he lost an excellent chance to play his second Slam final.

What about Olympics? The fact that the grass is likely to play very fast and slick for the whole tournament gives him an excellent chance for a medal, maybe even gold. His draw is tough, though.

R1 - Bellucci

Jo should beat him, as Thomaz isn't exactly a grasscourt specialist.

R2 - Raonic

Very tough. Milos isn't great on grass, but Jo hates facing big servers (due to his abysmal ROS). He needs to stay calm at all times and avoid frustration if he is to win this one.

R3 - Monaco/Goffin

Should be easy. Raonic is the only test before quarters really is Jo is playing anything close to his normal level.

QF - Novak

This opponent needs no presentations, he's about as tough as it gets. But especially on a fast surface, Jo has every chance to beat him. He was agonizingly close to do so at the FO after all.

SF - Murray/Berdych

Both very tough. Murray is generally a bad matchup for Jo, who seemingly refuses to adapt his tactics, but the surface should be playing much faster than in their Wimbledon SF, which would favor Jo. Tomas is also beatable, although Jo sometimes struggles with big hitters.

F - Federer/some upset run

This opponent needs no presentations as well. He's considered the favorite to win the event, but Jo has already shown he can beat him in best of 5 on this surface, so he would have a chance.


How far do you think Jo will go? All the way? A medal? Early upset?

How much does the faster grass favor him against the top players? What about the best of 3 format (until the final)?
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Re: What are your expectations of Jo Wilfried Tsonga for the grass season?

I think you're overstating the speed difference between 2nd week and 1st week Wimbledon.
The grass mostly wears behind the baseline, where shots can't land anyway.

The worn grass on and just in front of the baseline is only going to affect very few shots that land very deep.
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