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Why doesn't RG use the challenge system?

I've always wondered... They seem to have the cameras already in place on some of the courts. All the other Grand Slams use it but RG.
Of course, the ball leaves a mark on the clay and that makes it possible for the umpire to check whether the ball is in or out, but errors can occur and the umpire wouldn't have to leave his/her chair.
The funny thing is that even after the umpire checks the mark, they often show the camera shot. What if the latter is different from the umpire's interpretation?
I think it would make life easier - and avoid potential conflicts - at RG if they used the challenge system there. At least, RG would be on par with the other Slams. What do you think?

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Re: Why doesn't RG use the challenge system?

It's stupid. As far as I am concerned Hawk Eye technology should replace umpires/lines judges completely. The game should be as fair as possible and the outcome of a match should not be decided by human error and bias.

I remember watching a football match in 2010, England vs Germany where a goal was not counted because of obvious human error. Tennis is even worse in this regard because every rally has potential to rob a player out of a point.

My opinion is: get rid of linespeople, make every point be decided by Hawkeye.
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It's stupid. As far as I am concerned Hawk Eye technology should replace umpires/lines judges completely. The game should be as fair as possible and the outcome of a match should not be decided by human error and bias.

I remember watching a football match in 2010, England vs Germany where a goal was not counted because of obvious human error. Tennis is even worse in this regard because every rally has potential to rob a player out of a point.

My opinion is: get rid of linespeople, make every point be decided by Hawkeye.
To take that notion further, we should have futuristic, intelligent court surfaces that sense whether the ball has landed and knows where we are in the match. When a ball is "out", it automatically changes colors or uses some other form of visual notification and auto-updates the score.

Of course this maybe 5-10-15 years in to the future.

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To take that notion further, we should have futuristic, intelligent court surfaces that sense whether the ball has landed and knows where we are in the match. When a ball is "out", it automatically changes colors or uses some other form of visual notification and auto-updates the score.

Of course this maybe 5-10-15 years in to the future.
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To take that notion further, we should have futuristic, intelligent court surfaces that sense whether the ball has landed and knows where we are in the match. When a ball is "out", it automatically changes colors or uses some other form of visual notification and auto-updates the score.

Of course this maybe 5-10-15 years in to the future.
Today's technology can already do this. But, the cost would be too great. It's way cheaper the way it is now.
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Re: Why doesn't RG use the challenge system?

are you on crack bro on clay it's pretty easy to see when a ball is out or not and fresh marks are not hard to distinguish. this is like asking why we don't have to call an astrologist to make sure we are seeing the sun in the sky, like versus asking one about the star constellations...

on clay the ball marks are proof and actually more reliable than hawkeye, I don't recall many instances where players have continued to argue about marks after taking a look themself.

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Today's technology can already do this. But, the cost would be too great. It's way cheaper the way it is now.
I guess so. Eventually the economics will make sense!

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I've always wondered... They seem to have the cameras already in place on some of the courts. All the other Grand Slams use it but RG.
Of course, the ball leaves a mark on the clay and that makes it possible for the umpire to check whether the ball is in or out, but errors can occur and the umpire wouldn't have to leave his/her chair.
The funny thing is that even after the umpire checks the mark, they often show the camera shot. What if the latter is different from the umpire's interpretation?
I think it would make life easier - and avoid potential conflicts - at RG if they used the challenge system there. At least, RG would be on par with the other Slams. What do you think?
and seriously how much confrontation have you witnessed about ball mark mis-calls on clay? it hardly ever happens

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because u can see marks on clay.

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Re: Why doesn't RG use the challenge system?

I don't think the OP's question is dumb. The fact that they have installed the system (cameras, computers, etc) just so the TV broadcasters can have their own unofficial Hawkeye replays is what makes the question interesting. If the TV broadcasters were hoping to create controversy by showing the umpires are wrong and that the ball mark is not always correct, it seems they've failed.

In a time of austerity, who paid to have this technology set up just for the heck of it?

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The French are so cheap that RG doesn't even have lights (something even future and challenger tournaments have) and you want them to spend money on HawkEye?

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It's stupid. As far as I am concerned Hawk Eye technology should replace umpires/lines judges completely. The game should be as fair as possible and the outcome of a match should not be decided by human error and bias.

I remember watching a football match in 2010, England vs Germany where a goal was not counted because of obvious human error. Tennis is even worse in this regard because every rally has potential to rob a player out of a point.

My opinion is: get rid of linespeople, make every point be decided by Hawkeye.
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The French are so cheap that RG doesn't even have lights (something even future and challenger tournaments have) and you want them to spend money on HawkEye?
Well, they already have some cameras installed, since they sometimes show camera shots on TV, after a replay.
BTW, until a couple of years ago, Wimbledon didn't have any lights either.

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