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Federer 2006 vs. Nadal 2010 vs. Djokovic 2011, interesting stats...

I was a bit bored, so I researched some stats about the best years of the top 3, and this is what I found. All stats were conjured using the ATP's RICOH ATP match facts thingy in the player's profile pages.

Aces:

6.76 per match, Fed 2006, 97
4.51 per match, Djokovic 2011, 76
3.83 per match, Nadal 2010, 81

This is no surprise, Federer has the best peak first serve, followed by Djokovic, then Nadal.

Double Faults:

1.88 per match, Djokovic 2011
1.48 per match, Nadal 2010
1.22 per match, Fed 2006

Actually Djokovic has the worst valley 2nd serve, then Nadal, then Federer.

Ace-DF differential:

5.54, Fed 2006
2.63, Djokvic 2011
2.35, Nadal 2010

So basically, Federer has the best first and second serve. Djokovic has a better 1st serve than Nadal, but Nadal has a better 2nd serve than Djokovic.

1st serve %:

67%- Nadal 2010
65%- Djokovic 2011
63%- Federer 2006

In terms of percentage, again not a surprise here.

1st serve points won:

77%- Federer 2006
75%- Nadal 2010
74%- Djokovic 2011

I’m surprised Fed is not further ahead here. Also interesting that the previous stats told us that Djokovic has the better first serve, but Nadal wins more points on his first delivery. Quality of the ground game, surely.

2nd serve points won:

60%- Nadal 2010
59% Federer 2006
56%- Djokovic 2011

Now this is a bit of a surprise. Nadal, despite having a worse 2nd serve than Fed, defends it much better. Djokovic, who’s 2nd serve is the worst, predictably ranks lowest here.

Break points faced and saved per match:

Fed 2006- 4.11 per match, 70% saved
Nadal 2010- 3.98 per match, 69% saved
Djokovic 2011- 4.62 per match, 65% saved

Now this is a bit interesting. Djokovic faced the most break points per match, and saved the least. Nadal faced the least, and saved just 1% less than Fed, who faced more per match. It can be said in this case that, on serve, Federer is the most clutch, Nadal 2nd, Djokovic 3rd. On return is another story, as we’ll see in a little bit.

Service games won and serve points won per match:

Fed 2006- 90% serve games, 70% serve points
Nadal 2010- 90% serve games, 70% serve points
Djokovic 2011- 86% serve games, 68% serve points

Interestingly, both Fed and Nadal won 90% of their serve games and 70% serve points. I’d have thought Fed would be better here. Djoker just a bit below.

1st serve return points won:

Djokovic 2011- 36%
Federer 2006- 35%
Nadal 2010- 31% (34% in 2008)

It can be said here, that Djokovic returns the first serve the best, followed by Fed, and Nadal far behind. This conforms to general wisdom.

2nd serve return points won:

Djokovic 2011- 58%
Nadal 2010- 55%
Federer 2006- 54%

This is a bit surprising to me, Djokovic 3 points ahead on 2nd serve returns, I’d have thought Nadal would be a bit closer here as well as further ahead of Fed than a single point.

Break point chances and conversions:

Djokovic 2011- 9.11 per match, 48% conversion
Nadal 2010: 8.32 per match, 44% conversion
Federer 2006: 9.02 per match, 43% conversion

Again, Djokovic surprising me here. On return, he is clearly the best by a good margin, creating and converting more chance than both Fed or Nadal. Rafa creating fewer, but converting more than Fed.

Return games won and return points won:

Djokovic- 39% return games won, 45% return points won
Federer 2006- 32% return games won, 42% return points won
Nadal 2010- 29% (33% in 08) return games won, 40% (43% in 08) return points won

Shockingly, Federer won more return points and games than Nadal 2010, but not Nadal 2008. Djokovic still way ahead.

Total points won:

Djokovic 2011- 56%
Federer 2006- 56%
Nadal 2010- 55%

I think it’s a bit interesting that the Top 3’s best years, some of the best years in the history of the game, all 3 slam seasons, they all won only 55-56% of the points they played.

So overall, Djokovic has far and away the best return, Federer the best serve, and Nadal the best? Mentality? Guts? Determination? Intangibles? Things that don’t show up in stats? It is also clear that Nadal 2010 had a better serve than Nadal 2008, but Nadal 2008 had a better return than Nadal 2010.

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informative but you can't just conclude that a player has the best serve based on aces and double faults alone.

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Re: Federer 2006 vs. Nadal 2010 vs. Djokovic 2011, interesting stats...

Who exactly did Nadal face in 2010?
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I'd love to see how Serverer would do without that monster serve. He was frequently outplayed in rallies by worse opponents but managed to serve his way out of trouble every time. Olderer's ground game is overrated IMO. Without his serve he would be dominated by any grinder with ease.
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at the end of the day they all were great years .

Just 1 question in the first stat you have what is the number mean after the year ?

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informative but you can't just conclude that a player has the best serve based on aces and double faults alone.
No, the Ace/DF stats are more tiebreakers over who has the better serve between Nadal and Federer.

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We are not taking into account the quality of the field, as it is such a suggestive opinion.

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I'd love to see how Serverer would do without that monster serve. He was frequently outplayed in rallies by worse opponents but managed to serve his way out of trouble every time. Olderer's ground game is overrated IMO. Without his serve he would be dominated by any grinder with ease.
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I'd love to see how Serverer would do without that monster serve. He was frequently outplayed in rallies by worse opponents but managed to serve his way out of trouble every time. Olderer's ground game is overrated IMO. Without his serve he would be dominated by any grinder with ease.
not that i agree with you (i don't actually) but the serve is part of the game and it's not worse or better than having, say, a good backhand slice.

by the same token, i could say nadal would be ranked outside the top 50 if it weren't for his topspin forehand.

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No, the Ace/DF stats are more tiebreakers over who has the better serve between Nadal and Federer.
im not sure what you mean

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You can't compare serve to BH slice One wins cold, hard point. The other is just a decent defensive shot.

Olderer has always one of the most effective serves on the tour. There is nothing wrong with that. I am just saying he used it to great effect to mask his error prone, high risk ground game. Most of his FH winners are set up by serve.

Give Olderer Nadal's serve...does he win 16 slams then? NO.
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at the end of the day they all were great years .

Just 1 question in the first stat you have what is the number mean after the year ?
Oh, that number is the amount of matches each man player in that particular year.

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Well since they are so close everywhere else. Both won the same amount of serve games and points, Fed saved 1% more break point, but Nadal faced 0.6 less break points per match, so that is a wash, Nadal won 1% more 2nd serve points, but Fed won 2% more 1st serve points, while Nadal served a 4% higher percentage, so those are a wash.

Basically, it came down to Federer hitting many more aces and hitting less double faults per match than Nadal

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You can't compare serve to BH slice One wins cold, hard point. The other is just a decent defensive shot.

Olderer has always one of the most effective serves on the tour. There is nothing wrong with that. I am just saying he used it to great effect to mask his error prone, high risk ground game. Most of his FH winners are set up by serve.

Give Olderer Nadal's serve...does he win 16 slams then? NO.
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Nice work. Fed's the best on serve, Djoker's the best when returning, and Nadal's the best....moonballer?

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You can't compare serve to BH slice One wins cold, hard point. The other is just a decent defensive shot.

Olderer has always one of the most effective serves on the tour. There is nothing wrong with that. I am just saying he used it to great effect to mask his error prone, high risk ground game. Most of his FH winners are set up by serve.

Give Olderer Nadal's serve...does he win 16 slams then? NO.
On the other hand, if Nadal was technically skilled enough, he could have learned how to serve more effectively, and as such, won 16 slams, which he hasn't and never will.

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I'd love to see how Serverer would do without that monster serve. He was frequently outplayed in rallies by worse opponents but managed to serve his way out of trouble every time. Olderer's ground game is overrated IMO. Without his serve he would be dominated by any grinder with ease.
Well at the same time Federer's serve probably saved him a few years on the tires and kept him healthy. Nadal and Djokovic grueling style of play won't allow them to play as many years as Federer. Why are you knocking on the guy for his serve? Without his serve blah blah blah. You can say that about any player and a weapon they have so what's the point? Personally all those years I was more impressed when Federer was able to dial up clutch ace after clutch ace. He seemed to always fire one off when he needed it very most. That shouldn't be ridiculed but praised. That is the mark of a great champion, you can't knock him for that.
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The stats are always nice but there are a few things..

1. This honestly shows that while statistically Nadal may have done better in 2010 especially in terms of the slams, I think it shows that he played much better overall in 2008. You should compare his 2008/2010 in a little more depth.
2. Federer's stats are even more amazing considering he played a total of 97 matches, while Nadal played a total of 81 matches and Djokovic played only 76. So for Federer to play many more matches and still end up with such stats makes those 2006 aspects even more amazing.

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I'd love to see how Serverer would do without that monster serve. He was frequently outplayed in rallies by worse opponents but managed to serve his way out of trouble every time. Olderer's ground game is overrated IMO. Without his serve he would be dominated by any grinder with ease.
I'd love to see how Nadal would without those legs of his. He was frequently outplayed in rallies by worse opponents but managed to get balls back and luckily get out of trouble every time. Kneedal's ground game is overrated IMO. Without his legs he would be dominated by any grinder with ease.



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Oh, that number is the amount of matches each man player in that particular year.
Where did you get those numbers? Nadal 76? Djokovic 91? I posted the right amounts at the beginning of this post.

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