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Nadal: I follow the Race Ranking, not Entry - explains end of yr results?

So, a couple of interesting questions in Nadal's presser today (http://www.internazionalibnlditalia....l-Monday.aspx) - really really bad paraphrased transcript that I've tried to amend a bit based on the actual video! (http://video.gazzetta.it/i-due-grand...cd39d854d7a7):

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Q: Is it important to get into second place before Roland Garros.
NADAL: I don't know how things are in the race. I think I am third in the race - 100 points behind Roger. That's the most important thing for me. 100 points behind Roger, like 500 points or 550 behind Novak. My position is not bad. My position is the right one. I had a very good start of the season – 2 hard or 3 hard matches. Final of Australia – that makes a big difference - win or lose - it's 800 points and it's a grand slam. Semi finals in Miami I didn't play because of an injury of the knee and last week that we played in very strange conditions. That is a tournament that normally is you know favourable for my game. It's on clay so that's a big change. So these three facts probably that is why I today I am number 3 in the race and not number 2. I am happy I am in Rome to keep playing as I play – to arrive with number 2 or 3 isn't going to change my game. If you are number 2 or 3 then that doesn't change. You just have to win. You have to win in the semi finals – even if you are number 2 or 3 doesn't make a big difference and I want to keep playing and end the clay court season and start the grass court season.

Q: Rafa – you seem to track the rankings. You seem to know what points you have and what the other players have. Do also the other players do this?
NADAL: I think everybody follows. I don't know much about the entry – seriously but the race says what you have been doing during the season. When I start the season in January I see it like a league – a soccer league – you start and then you finish and the entry is there but the race is when you know how you are doing – but the race is the real points that you are playing …. That is the real thing that I follow. You start from zero and you finish at number 6 or number 5 and then you come back to zero again, that is my way of seeing sport.
I've seen pressers of his before where he's talked about the race ranking - even back in 06, 07 etc. where he'd say in Miami for example that he may be world no 2 but in the race he's only 5 etc... It's an interesting way of looking at it i.e. as a football league and the WTF is the last match of the season. With that mentality sometimes the "season" is effectively over in September, as has been the case the last few years as the no.1 is pretty much wrapped up. Could Nadal's mindset of each year being a race to no.1 explain his lack of motivation/energy at the end of the year? When he knows that no.1 has gone/he'll likely end no.2, then it's a bit like teams playing after the league has been lost - they don't have the same desire for it.

I definitely think a lot of Nadal's end of yr let down is mental in that aspect. It can't all be physical as he had a couple of weeks off before Australia (after Davis Cup) and was mentally fresh again. Think it's the "fresh start" of the new year that gives him energy again. Under this philosophy you would think Nadal might value year end no.1 more than overall no.1 which isn't so good for him... It also doesn't help him as by viewing it that way he doesn't perform to his best in tournaments where he could pick up more points which would help him in the following season (e.g. how Fed did it last year - might have ended 3rd but still fought hard and is reaping benefits now....).

Do we think a lot of players on tour have this mentality?
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Re: Nadal: I follow the Race Ranking, not Entry - explains end of yr results?

what an idiot

how can he say this while at the same time call for a 2-year ranking system?
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what an idiot

how can he say this while at the same time call for a 2-year ranking system?
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Re: Nadal: I follow the Race Ranking, not Entry - explains end of yr results?

Good thread.
He's probably right in following the race rankings, but race rankings are a little tricky.
If you have your best season on clay, after Roland Garros, you can be N° 1 in the race rankings and not winning a good ammount of points.
The indoor season is at the end of the year, and, for example Federer, is the best indoor player right now and could win 3000 points there (like he did last year).

What he said about the semifinal is true.
If you want to win a tournament you have to be able to defeat everybody.
I mean, it's true that if Murray or Federer don't face Rafa in the semis, it'd be easy to get to the final, but if they wanna win, they've to be able of beating him.

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Re: Nadal: I follow the Race Ranking, not Entry - explains end of yr results?

But I thought he wanted a 2 year ranking?

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Re: Nadal: I follow the Race Ranking, not Entry - explains end of yr results?

I like thinking of it as the race rankings too, like F1. Maybe the ATP should not have gotten rid of the Race ranking system.

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I like thinking of it as the race rankings too, like F1. Maybe the ATP should not have gotten rid of the Race ranking system.
Well, it still exists. They only changed the name to "Race to London", but it's the same thing.
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Well, it still exists. They only changed the name to "Race to London", but it's the same thing.
Right, I thought they had stopped giving that stat but I see it up on http://www.atpworldtour.com/Rankings/YTD-Singles.aspx. I usually look at the rankings at http://live-tennis.eu/race

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Re: Nadal: I follow the Race Ranking, not Entry - explains end of yr results?

Race ranking often depends on the order of the season. Federer performed well during the indoor season towards the end of last year. If that was the first part of the year he would have been #1 for a while. If the clay season were first, then Nadal would be #1 for a while.

Early in the season the race isn't a big enough sample size to actually always look at it with lots of importance. If you look at the race, then the AO is the most important slam because it would be in the race for the longest, and the WTF is pretty much pointless because once it comes onto the race it pretty much just drops off.

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Re: Nadal: I follow the Race Ranking, not Entry - explains end of yr results?

I mean Nadal is a player who always works hard in the NOW, he doesn't really look back and say "I did great at that moment so it makes for now" or "I'm not doing good now but i'll do good later"...

all he cares about is preforming the best he possibly can, step by step, which is why he likes to look at the points from a race perspective. in the race he knows EXACTLY how well hes done purely from this season as opposed to getting credit or lacking credit from a previous season.

it makes sense when you consider his personality and work ethic that he prefers to look at it from his perspective.

granted he does support a dumb ass 2 year plan, but I think that is purely off a basis of fear of injury from him and he has seemed to be talking about that dumb ass idea less nowadays.

Nadal is a here and now kind of guy, we all know this

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I like the race ranking more as well. More accurate representation of who's actually playing well, instead of players living off old points.

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Fish at 53 and Roddick at 75 makes so much more sense to me than Fish at 11 and Roddick at 27

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Re: Nadal: I follow the Race Ranking, not Entry - explains end of yr results?

He's still 3rd- which must terrify him, cuz to get #1 he definitely needs to lead after clay season. Most interesting thing in race to me is Ferrer over Murray



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He's still 3rd- which must terrify him, cuz to get #1 he definitely needs to lead after clay season. Most interesting thing in race to me is Ferrer over Murray
Why? Ferrer was #3 at this point last year. It's normal for him to collect a lot of points from Monte Carlo + minor clay events. He's actually doing worst than last year.

It's much more interesting how close to Murray Berdych and especially Del Potro are, considering these two are much more likely to earn big points in the remainder of the season, especially summer hardcourt season + indoors.

Ferrer's performance actually almost "condemns" him to finish the year 7th in the rankings at best. Murray, Berdych and Del Potro are awfully close and they're traditionally much better players on grass, summer hardcourts and indoors.

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Re: Nadal: I follow the Race Ranking, not Entry - explains end of yr results?

Yes, Ferrer was 3rd this time last year, up until RG I think.

The race is definitely tighter at the top this year, no one has much daylight. Could get interesting.
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