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World Championship 3 10.34%
Grand Slam Events (majors) 25 86.21%
Equivalent for different reasons 1 3.45%
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YEC (WTF) is the Most Prestigious Yearly Tournament Category

The Year End Championship (YEC) in it's current incarnation known as the World Tour Finals (WTF) appears to be the most prestigious yearly tournament category (according to the ATP).** ++

**Olympics not included and Davis Cup is considered a 500 tournament by ATP.
++ Note to mods/admins, though this is similar to the Rank tournaments in order of Prestige thread, it's more exclusive and more slanted to the ATP's opinion of the events. Please don't merge it with that thread. Thank you.
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Even though it's possible top ranking points (1500) are currently not as high as a major (2000), the World Championship category is placed higher than the Grand Slams in the category listings (see link above).

So do you agree with the ATP?

Poll options for Most Prestigious Yearly Tournament Category:

1. World Championship
2. Grand Slam Events (majors)
3. Equivalent for different reasons


Please give your reasoning for your choice.

Also, if you believe the World Championship falls short of or is equivalent to the majors, please explain how you would change it * to elevate it to the higher level, as I believe the clear intent of the tournament is to determine whom among the best players of the year is the World's best player, after all events of the year have been played, no matter who won the majors or other tournaments.
* Examples: Include 2 or x more players, make it more demanding, change from round robin to knock out, have it played on different surfaces, etc.

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I really enjoy the WTF, mostly because its the only tournament where every match seems to matter. It does have a few problems, and doesn't feel as special as the slams mostly because its best of 3, I still like it though.

To me its lower than the slams, but above most master series.

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That link doesn't mention wtf, it goes to the Nole player profile.
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Below GS and above MS.

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IMO, if I have to do the list of prestigious tournaments would be something like this:

1. Wimbledon
2. Other Grand Slam event.
3. Year-end championship - Olympic Gold Medal (tied)
4. Masters series.

My reasoning... Wimbledon is where pro-tennis started, that gold trophy is just too much.
No Argentinian player won Wimbledon yet, so it's like a sacred jewelry... A quest for the golden trophy our players need to do. Maybe in time...
Then, the other 3 slams, because of history, that made em prestigious, the 5-setter matches made em even more important, every match is like a noble title in a Grand Slam.
To qualify to a grand slam is really important to an semi-pro player.

Year End Championships is a really important tournament, the big players are always in, so, you have guaranteed 4 of the top 8 players in the Semis. That means the best players of the year every year, such an important event.

The Olympic gold medal is important, but not that much for the player but for the nation. You're not playing for yourself, you're playing for your country.
It's true that it is really important to have the gold medal. But tennis hasn't got a big olympic history, so, you can't consider this the most important thing here.
And, like you're playing for your country and not for yourself, I see every medal with the same value (men, women, M/W doubles and mixed too).

Davis cup is a totally team event.
It doesn't add anything to a player's career, but it's the most important team event, so, it's really important for your country.

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I really enjoy the WTF, mostly because its the only tournament where every match seems to matter. It does have a few problems, and doesn't feel as special as the slams mostly because its best of 3, I still like it though.

To me its lower than the slams, but above most master series.
Green25814, good summation, thanks for your thoughtful response. I also think they should make it best out of 5, but I think there was consensus that many players were exhausted by the end of the year. I think a good compromise would be to keep the best out of 3 format during the round robin phase, and make the semifinal and final best out of 5.

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That link doesn't mention wtf, it goes to the Nole player profile.
It should go to the rankings breakdown list - listed by categories, and the top category is World Championship followed by Grand Slams.

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That link doesn't mention wtf, it goes to the Nole player profile.
Links about being prestigious naturally lead to Nole

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The ATP calling an Atp event more prestigious sounds biased, the slams are an ITF event.
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For me, I think winning the WTF is harder in some ways than winning a Grand Slam. This is because all your matches are against top 10 (actually top 8!) players. However, I never understood why they made the final from a best of 5 to a best of 3. We would never have seen Nalbandian's epic comeback against Federer in 2005 if it was the case back then - I think it was only the 3rd loss of the entire year for Federer too.

The early rounds of Grand Slams can be a bit of a joke - for top players, the first three rounds are often against "nobodies" or "has beens". By the 4th round, you may get a decent player, but often that player is no where near the top 8. Often it's not until the quarter-finals where you have to play a very good player.

I think this is why Federer has that Grand Slam quarter-final streak - it's actually not very surprising and not unexpected if you think about it. I'm just surprised that decent all court players like Nadal or Djokovic don't have such a streak. In saying that, both Djokovic and Nadal are on track to rival or surpass Federer's Grand Slam quarter-final/semi-final/final streaks.

The WTF is a very hard tournament to win. From memory, Nadal has never won it and Djokovic has only won once. This shouldn't be that surprising, as they have to play decent (top 8) players the whole way through. Of course, many people also argue that the courts are way too fast or that players are all too tired by the time they have to play the WTF tournament. This is probably one of the the most common excuses (or at least it's implied heavily) given by players (and their supporters) when they fail to do well.

So it's incredible that Sampras won 5 WTF-equivalent events, but it's even more incredible that Federer has won 6.

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Where does it say that WTF is most prestigious?

Anyway, for me it's definitely below slams. But above Master Shields by a huge margin.
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Links about being prestigious naturally lead to Nole
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IMO, if I have to do the list of prestigious tournaments would be something like this:

1. Wimbledon
2. Other Grand Slam event.
3. Year-end championship - Olympic Gold Medal (tied)
4. Masters series.

My reasoning... Wimbledon is where pro-tennis started, that gold trophy is just too much.
No Argentinian player won Wimbledon yet, so it's like a sacred jewelry... A quest for the golden trophy our players need to do. Maybe in time...
Then, the other 3 slams, because of history, that made em prestigious, the 5-setter matches made em even more important, every match is like a noble title in a Grand Slam.
To qualify to a grand slam is really important to an semi-pro player.

Year End Championships is a really important tournament, the big players are always in, so, you have guaranteed 4 of the top 8 players in the Semis. That means the best players of the year every year, such an important event.

The Olympic gold medal is important, but not that much for the player but for the nation. You're not playing for yourself, you're playing for your country.
It's true that it is really important to have the gold medal. But tennis hasn't got a big olympic history, so, you can't consider this the most important thing here.
And, like you're playing for your country and not for yourself, I see every medal with the same value (men, women, M/W doubles and mixed too).

Davis cup is a totally team event.
It doesn't add anything to a player's career, but it's the most important team event, so, it's really important for your country.
Mr. viruzzz, thoughtful as always and I agree with almost all that you say, but I'm purposely excluding the country level, non-yearly Olympics event, and the Davis Cup (considerered 500 level by ATP). So by eliminating those, it seems like you believe the slams are more prestigious than the World Championship.

What would you do (if anything) to elevate the World Championship above the slams in your mind?

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Links about being prestigious naturally lead to Nole
Good one Taejin .. But, in this case, I just used Mr. Djokovic because he was 1st on the rankings list, to get to the specific rankings categories. I'll look for a more unbiased link if I can find one...

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Where does it say that WTF is most prestigious?

Anyway, for me it's definitely below slams. But above Master Shields by a huge margin.
Hi rickcastle, even if it may not explicitly say it, the implication is there by the way they order the rankings categories. It's also the featured tournament in the ATP site's Tournament menu drop down, and is quite obviously the ATP's featured tournament in other places on the website.

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