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Federer just completely copied the game of Sampras which is made to bore people out of their minds among other things. He is also massively backed up by tennis establishment and corporations. Players like Djokovic and Nadal play a totally unique game and they have totally trasformed it for the future. In the future players will copy Djokovic and Nadal but not Federer if anything.
Obviously what bores you the most is that old Federer is the only one who can beat peak Djokovic and it hurtssssssss sooooooo much! (I feel your pain)

Joking aside... What's better 30 strokes between 2 physical beasts or a short rally ending with a beautiful winner executed by a tactical genius. Both for me, but if I have to choose I rather watch #2. Those long rallies become quite boring after a while. Watching 6 hours of tennis on a row.. if that's not boring I don't know what is.
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Federer just completely copied the game of Sampras which is made to bore people out of their minds among other things. He is also massively backed up by tennis establishment and corporations. Players like Djokovic and Nadal play a totally unique game and they have totally trasformed it for the future. In the future players will copy Djokovic and Nadal but not Federer if anything.
This post is bannable offence. The most tragic part is that it didn't mean to be trolling post

you don't need to read about all tragedies which are happening to world to be depressed, after few mtf's post everything other looks pinky

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Federer just completely copied the game of Sampras which is made to bore people out of their minds among other things. He is also massively backed up by tennis establishment and corporations. Players like Djokovic and Nadal play a totally unique game and they have totally trasformed it for the future. In the future players will copy Djokovic and Nadal but not Federer if anything.
really dude?Fed and Sampras are almost nothing alike style wise also Djokovic and Nadal's style was seen before and I agree that players will copy Novak more than Fed but not for your reasons.Playing like Novak is much easier than playing like Fed if you are a 8 year old kid trying to copy someone's style of play.And to say Fed bores people is a disgrace....never been his fan but I can watch him play all day long.......
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really dude?Fed and Sampras are almost nothing alike style wise also Djokovic and Nadal's style was seen before and I agree that players will copy Novak more than Fed but not for your reasons.Playing like Novak is much easier than playing like Fed if you are a 8 year old kid trying to copy someone's style of play.And to say Fed bores people is a disgrace....never been his fan but I can watch him play all day long.......


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What's up with insults ? Do my words come that close to the truth that you dare not admit?
Being popular? Coca cola and Mcdonalds are popular with the lowest common denominators. It doesn't mean that it is any good, just the poor taste of the brainwashed masses.
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Federer just completely copied the game of Sampras which is made to bore people out of their minds among other things. He is also massively backed up by tennis establishment and corporations. Players like Djokovic and Nadal play a totally unique game and they have totally trasformed it for the future. In the future players will copy Djokovic and Nadal but not Federer if anything.
I'm angry.

To be honest, I can take your facile and highly inaccurate reduction of Federer's game as a copy of Sampras', and that it would bore people out of their minds. I can also take the laughable claim that Djokovic's and Nadal's games are "totally unique".

But what I simply can't take is your assertion that coca cola isn't any good. Blasphemy.
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Yes. Coca Cola and barbadosan are superior to other antique goods.
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This is proof that pusher-tards don't know any tennis.
Roddick was a mindless servebot. A slow, fat, sycophantic pushertard. He pushed himself to fatal anonymity.

If Fed hadn't pushed vs. Roddick, he would've shanked his backhand & lost 4 times to the mug.
Is Fed complaining about Roddick?

Fed lost to pusher losers, including Gaudio, Volandri, Mantilla, Davydenko, Nalbandian, Hewitt. Too bad.
If they weren't so gutless, Federer wouldn't be bragging about his "dominant tennis in an exhaustingly long schedule".
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Being popular? Coca cola and Mcdonalds are popular with the lowest common denominators. It doesn't mean that it is any good, just the poor taste of the brainwashed masses.
come back to me when DjokerNole has won A)career GS

b)Olympic gold medal
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come back to me when DjokerNole has won A)career GS

b)Olympic gold medal
cant take credit for both man
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FFS, why did they close or move the Federer threads about the Basel/Abu Dhabi app fee's

issue really annoyed me

first the behaviour of those rat bastards in Basel to do that to Fed, even if it had grains of truth, how quick they forget how Fed has supported that tournament for 15 years, been in 9 finals and they turn round and stab him like that, tbh Fed should never play there again after that episode

Abu Dhabi can FO, they couldnt hide the bitterness that Fed didnt want to play this year (yeah, we believe you would rather see 'young talent' like Almagro )

truth is these tournament would break the bank to get Fed alone - over Nole, Nadal and Murray combined - same with that Moscow tournament, altho i think that story was a load of hot air from Nadal uber fanboy Kafelnikov

the issue of Fed's 2013 schedule alarmed me as well, no Miami, no DC, no Monte Carlo again, no playing before AO (altho i dont think thats a bad thing, anyone can see he's been burnt out since Olympic sf match v Del Potro)

he will gift that #2 ranking to 'dull

have always known he hated playing in Miami, all those latin Nadal fanboys annoying him, they should move the tournament away from there.
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the issue of Fed's 2013 schedule alarmed me as well, no Miami, no DC, no Monte Carlo again, no playing before AO (altho i dont think thats a bad thing, anyone can see he's been burnt out since Olympic sf match v Del Potro)

he will gift that #2 ranking to 'dull

have always known he hated playing in Miami, all those latin Nadal fanboys annoying him, they should move the tournament away from there.
#2 ranking to Nadal? If he gifts his ranking to anyone, it will be Murray. Nadal is also due to play less and will not be in a position to advance anytime soon. However, considering Fed only got 390 points this year for the tournaments he's not entered into next year (except Olympics, but there we have Toronto instead), and has the addition of Paris where he got 1000 points last time he played, he really shouldn't gift anything. Anyone wants his ranking, they'll more likely have to step up and take it.
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#2 ranking to Nadal? If he gifts his ranking to anyone, it will be Murray. Nadal is also due to play less and will not be in a position to advance anytime soon. However, considering Fed only got 390 points this year for the tournaments he's not entered into next year (except Olympics, but there we have Toronto instead), and has the addition of Paris where he got 1000 points last time he played, he really shouldn't gift anything. Anyone wants his ranking, they'll more likely have to step up and take it.
I agree that the schedule change is not a concern : in last years (not only last year) Miami and Monte-Carlo hardly provided any points (and Doha is a small tournament which was not even countable last year), and he can replace a Basel final by a Paris semifinal which is not harder to do imo.

But his ranking can of course decrease because he had a great beginning of the year last year and it's unlikely that he will do the same again.

But yes rather likely losing his ranking to Murray than to Nadal in the short term, and it's not that a bad opportunity for Federer to be seeded 3, esp. on clay, if Nadal manages to keep his number 4-ranking in the first part of the year (which is far from done).

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I agree that the schedule change is not a concern : in last years (not only last year) Miami and Monte-Carlo hardly provided any points (and Doha is a small tournament which was not even countable last year), and he can replace a Basel final by a Paris semifinal which is not harder to do imo.

But his ranking can of course decrease because he had a great beginning of the year last year and it's unlikely that he will do the same again.

But yes rather likely losing his ranking to Murray than to Nadal in the short term, and it's not that a bad opportunity for Federer to be seeded 3, esp. on clay, if Nadal manages to keep his number 4-ranking in the first part of the year (which is far from done).
Well, Murray has 1880 points to defend prior to the clay season and Fed 2765 points. He's 2265 points ahead currently. If Murray passes him it will be because he plays well, not because Fed skips two tournaments.

I agree that a #3 seed with Nadal #4 is not without it's advantages, though a Fed - Murray projected SF in RG could happen regardless of who's #2 and #3. As for drawing Djokovic instead of Nadal, the advantage might not be relevant anymore - either will be very difficult to beat on clay.
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I agree that the schedule change is not a concern : in last years (not only last year) Miami and Monte-Carlo hardly provided any points (and Doha is a small tournament which was not even countable last year), and he can replace a Basel final by a Paris semifinal which is not harder to do imo.

But his ranking can of course decrease because he had a great beginning of the year last year and it's unlikely that he will do the same again.

But yes rather likely losing his ranking to Murray than to Nadal in the short term, and it's not that a bad opportunity for Federer to be seeded 3, esp. on clay, if Nadal manages to keep his number 4-ranking in the first part of the year (which is far from done).
Hadn't thought of that yet. Totally agree. If this were to happen and Roger got murray in his half he could reach some clay tournaments finals more easily.

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Hadn't thought of that yet. Totally agree. If this were to happen and Roger got murray in his half he could reach some clay tournaments finals more easily.
if he stays in top-2 he still has the same chance of getting Murray in semi,

the difference is rather that he might get Djokovic in semi instead of Nadal, and on clay it's still presumably better for Fed (for Indian Wells it's still rather likely that Fed is seeded 2 and can avoid Djokovic in the semi)

... but it's also very possible that Ferrer is seeded 4 instead of Nadal for clay season and that would not be a great context for Fed

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Well, Murray has 1880 points to defend prior to the clay season and Fed 2765 points. He's 2265 points ahead currently. If Murray passes him it will be because he plays well, not because Fed skips two tournaments.
yes after Miami so far Fed has 7515 points, Murray 6120,

but after Madrid it's tighter : 6515 to 5850,

and after Roland-Garros they're tied.

But slow hardcourts are theoretically better for Murray than for Federer.

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