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He would clearly be speaking in Spanish so I wouldn't be surprised if he said faster courts or hardcourts rather than "super fast". The main point I guess is that more of the circuit is on surfaces that favour Fed - hard courts & a bit of grass - than those that favour Nadal - clay. Doesn't take away from why Federer is better than Nadal but it's just something that's a fact - there are 2 slams on hard court and only 1 on clay.

Really Federer fans should be happy with Toni - he's always saying how great Federer is and that the debate is only between him and Laver, not him and Nadal. Also both him and Nadal have always said they don't think much of the H2H situation.
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even if by some weird turn of events federer manages to turn the h2h v. nadal to his favour, fact will still remain that nadal got the best of the old man in several GS finals across all surfaces.

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I am starting to like that guy, at least he is honest and is saying facst, of course Rafa is not in GOAT discussion. H2H importance he totally blew away with Davydenko argument good one Tony

But about super fast surfaces well he probably didn´t watched much tennis before his nephew started on the tour

I think he meant surface ways that HC + indoor HC are major surface and Roger is better there than Rafa, but there is no more carpet, slower HC and clay wasn´t never dominant surface so don´t get his point here but o.k.
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He's right on the surface part

2 hardcourt slams, 1 clay one and the WTF is on hardcourt as well.
AO is slow as hell, might as well call it clay.

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AO is slow as hell, might as well call it clay.
That's just stupid to say. AO might not be the fastest hardcourt, but it's still a hardcourt meaning it plays really fast compared to any clay court. It's definitely more favourable to Roger's game than to Rafa's.

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That's just stupid to say. AO might not be the fastest hardcourt, but it's still a hardcourt meaning it plays really fast compared to any clay court. It's definitely more favourable to Roger's game than to Rafa's.
just like the madrid blue clay is more favourable to rafa.

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nadal has overachieved so much thanks to the help of the ATP.
Now he wants the WTF on clay so he can win one.

Uncle Toni such a disgusting person. Will do anything to win no matter the means. Those types of people disgust me. He should try to play by the rules and may the best and most talented player win.

The AO and USO surfaces have slowed down. nadal won because of that, it's a fact. Look at his record in the fastest court nowadays in Cincinnati. Didn't even reach the finals.

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Why should the WTF always be the same surface? Seems a lot fairer to switch it every now and then, just like the olympics and just like there are differences in the surfaces of the different slams.

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Why should the WTF always be the same surface? Seems a lot fairer to switch it every now and then, just like the olympics and just like there are differences in the surfaces of the different slams.
It is switched rather regularly from place to place, but not in time. Always at the end of the season. It's an important tournament, so it would be rather strange to have every warmup tournament available play on a different surface, wouldn't it? It's not as if we can move the entire clay season towards the end, to connect them.
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It is switched rather regularly from place to place, but not in time. Always at the end of the season. It's an important tournament, so it would be rather strange to have every warmup tournament available play on a different surface, wouldn't it? It's not as if we can move the entire clay season towards the end, to connect them.
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Would make the Asian swing a lot more interesting

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He's right on the surface part

2 hardcourt slams, 1 clay one and the WTF is on hardcourt as well.
Grass is slower. Much slower. Hard is slower. Very much slower. What else do you want ???

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He would clearly be speaking in Spanish so I wouldn't be surprised if he said faster courts or hardcourts rather than "super fast". The main point I guess is that more of the circuit is on surfaces that favour Fed - hard courts & a bit of grass - than those that favour Nadal - clay. Doesn't take away from why Federer is better than Nadal but it's just something that's a fact - there are 2 slams on hard court and only 1 on clay.

Really Federer fans should be happy with Toni - he's always saying how great Federer is and that the debate is only between him and Laver, not him and Nadal. Also both him and Nadal have always said they don't think much of the H2H situation.
I like the way in the same paragraph he celebrates history of tennis with Laver and says that tennis nowadays is mostly run on fast courts

"Fedfans should be happy with Toni" ? no I'm happier with Rafael who has been more honest than Toni in recent years, as when he said in his book "against Fed, I know what I have to do, I only have to bring the ball back on court and play to his backhand, I'm much more scared by Djokovic and I had been since Djokovic emerged on Tour" ... and Toni is the manager who advices Rafael in those things, then he clearly thinks the same (I even think Rafa says that the long-term concern about Djokovic had been shared with Toni). From everything I heard, and he shows it again when he says that the idea against Fed was always to slow down the game, Toni is the strategist in the team, he thinks a lot taking some ideas sometimes from original origins.

As for the praising for Fed, you know Toni has always used the strategy of making his nephew "scared" of his opponents, and it has worked so well against Fed, why would he change ?

What Toni says will do very little for Fed's reputation but what Toni has made as Nadal's manager has done much more against that reputation.

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That's just stupid to say. AO might not be the fastest hardcourt, but it's still a hardcourt meaning it plays really fast compared to any clay court. It's definitely more favourable to Roger's game than to Rafa's.
. Hilarious attempt at trying to sound knowledgeable. AO's conditions are slower than sunny RG or even a normal RG. The way the ball slows down during the night and with the grainy surfaces, it's a slow hell. Saying the WTF should not always be on the same surface - why should RG or the AO then, huh? The WTF has always been the biggest indoor tournament.


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The WTF has always been the biggest indoor tournament.
yes but like many things of the tennis history of the last 40 years, it has been contested as "stupid" or absurd only since one player arrived on Tour.

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