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Nadal more than 15 matches ahead. 108 40.15%
Nadal 13-14 matches ahead. 25 9.29%
Nadal 11-12 matches ahead. 20 7.43%
Nadal 9-10 matches ahead. 20 7.43%
Nadal 7-8 matches ahead. 20 7.43%
Nadal 5-6 matches ahead. 19 7.06%
Nadal 3-4 matches ahead. 5 1.86%
Nadal 1-2 matches ahead. 1 0.37%
Equal 4 1.49%
Federer ahead 47 17.47%
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post #1141 of 4037 (permalink) Old 09-10-2012, 05:13 AM
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Don't get the point of this thread. Fed fans don't have much to fear - Nadal's knees have basically killed any chance of passing Federer - needed to win at least 2 slams this year. Trying for 14 is definitely more realistic - couple more RG and maybe a Wimbledon seem do-able if he's playing 2+ more years. All that said Nadal also isn't playing in an era where he has no great rivals - he has only won 1 slam without beating at least 1 of Federer/Murray/Djokovic (French Open 2010 - would have won if he'd faced those guys anyway) - Fed on the other hand had many times where the final itself really wasn't a mental battle - imagine facing Baghdatis or Philppousis in a best of 5 match. Novak, Rafa and even Andy would cruise too.
LOL at you putting Murray at the same level of battling Federer and Djokovic. And that's because Nadal has only 4 slams outside of clay anyway. As if Nadal has any great rivals on clay? The second best claycourter of this era is Federer and clay is Federer's worst surface. Wimbledon 2010, he only had Murray to deal with. And let's not act as if beating pre-2011 Djokovic is the same as beating Djokovic today.
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LOL at you putting Murray at the same level of battling Federer and Djokovic. And that's because Nadal has only 4 slams outside of clay anyway. As if Nadal has any great rivals on clay? The second best claycourter of this era is Federer and clay is Federer's worst surface. Wimbledon 2010, he only had Murray to deal with. And let's not act as if beating pre-2011 Djokovic is the same as beating Djokovic today.
Yeah pretty much this. Mug clay era with a fast court specialist as the second best player on clay.

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Who would that competition be? Useless serve bot Roddick or a weaponless pusher Hewitt? Safin who cared about more about bitches than tennis? No fitness mug Fatbandian and slam clown Baldenko? Flukes like Gonzalez in slam final? Tough era indeed. The only competition the Geezer had was on on clay against baby Nadal and we all know how that turned out for him. Flukerer needed a serious injury to squeak out an RG title.
Could you like shut the hell up for once? Just to point your fucking hypocrisy and draw more pathetic excuses/reasons, once again, isn't it quite ironic that once the trash Federer era of dominance of his so called weak field, which includes those you mentioned, stopped being a factor that it was finally then possible for Rafa to actually win Grand Slams away from RG?

Federer / Haas / Safin / Gaudio / Kuerten / Youzhny / Nadal / Gonzalez / Ljubicic / Hewitt / Soderling / Wawrinka / Coria / Nalbandian / Kohlschreiber
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Who would that competition be? Useless serve bot Roddick or a weaponless pusher Hewitt? Safin who cared about more about bitches than tennis? No fitness mug Fatbandian and slam clown Baldenko? Flukes like Gonzalez in slam final? Tough era indeed. The only competition the Geezer had was on on clay against baby Nadal and we all know how that turned out for him. Flukerer needed a serious injury to squeak out an RG title.
You are right.

Roddick retired with a winning record against Djokovic, davydenko still has a winning record against Rafa (paying then out if their peak). And what to say about mugzalez, Blake, youhzni who sent Rafa packing at slams?

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LOL at you putting Murray at the same level of battling Federer and Djokovic. And that's because Nadal has only 4 slams outside of clay anyway. As if Nadal has any great rivals on clay? The second best claycourter of this era is Federer and clay is Federer's worst surface. Wimbledon 2010, he only had Murray to deal with. And let's not act as if beating pre-2011 Djokovic is the same as beating Djokovic today.
Murray's not the same level as Fed or Novak but talent and game wise he's far superior to Roddick, Baghdatis, Hewitt etc. Sure Andy, Lleyton etc. may have got the slams due to when they played but they never had the complete game that Murray has. Murray showed his game could hurt the top guys from when he first emerged on tour and he's a real rival to the rest of the top 4 even if he hasn't won a slam yet.

Anyway, Fed has 17, Nadal 11. Not even comparable yet. My point was that somehow focusing on Fed doing better age wise now is stupid - it was always expected Nadal would do better when younger and given how many slams he's missed he's not done too shabbily. I don't think Fed played in a "weak era" - he was always going to be too good. But I do think post 2008 as Novak and Murray stepped up the competition at SF, F level has been tougher for all for them and that will be count in Nadal (and Fed's for his later slams) favour.

At this stage, it's irrelevant. 6 is too big a gap. If the gap becomes 1 or 2 slams then I'm sure other factors will be considered. Fed has many more arguments than just slam numbers of course but it would allow for a debate where right now I think the slam difference is too big to entertain it. Finally, weak clay era is a stupid argument. Anyone can see just by watching Nadal's game that he would have been just as great in any clay era. Fed is a fantastic claycourter and has squeaked out 2 wins over his career. Same for Novak. Coria was great and struggled. Ferrer's pretty great and will run all day but still struggles. Doubt Guga would have denied Rafa many titles.
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Murray's not the same level as Fed or Novak but talent and game wise he's far superior to Roddick, Baghdatis, Hewitt etc. Sure Andy, Lleyton etc. may have got the slams due to when they played but they never had the complete game that Murray has. Murray showed his game could hurt the top guys from when he first emerged on tour and he's a real rival to the rest of the top 4 even if he hasn't won a slam yet.

Anyway, Fed has 17, Nadal 11. Not even comparable yet. My point was that somehow focusing on Fed doing better age wise now is stupid - it was always expected Nadal would do better when younger and given how many slams he's missed he's not done too shabbily. I don't think Fed played in a "weak era" - he was always going to be too good. But I do think post 2008 as Novak and Murray stepped up the competition at SF, F level has been tougher for all for them and that will be count in Nadal (and Fed's for his later slams) favour.

At this stage, it's irrelevant. 6 is too big a gap. If the gap becomes 1 or 2 slams then I'm sure other factors will be considered. Fed has many more arguments than just slam numbers of course but it would allow for a debate where right now I think the slam difference is too big to entertain it. Finally, weak clay era is a stupid argument. Anyone can see just by watching Nadal's game that he would have been just as great in any clay era. Fed is a fantastic claycourter and has squeaked out 2 wins over his career. Same for Novak. Coria was great and struggled. Ferrer's pretty great and will run all day but still struggles. Doubt Guga would have denied Rafa many titles.
Exactly as saying Fed played in a weak era. Anyone can see watching his game he would have been great in any era.

To add further proof to that Fed decided to come back at #1 well past his prime at 31, in the supposed "stronger era".

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Nadal playing in mug era - only one decent player in Jokervich.

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Exactly as saying Fed played in a weak era. Anyone can see watching his game he would have been great in any era.

To add further proof to that Fed decided to come back at #1 well past his prime at 31, in the supposed "stronger era".
Well, of course Ash86's argument applies exclusively to her boyfriend, that goes without saying

And talent is subjective, Murray may be more talented in your eyes but if he doesn't have the results, it doesn't matter. He is not on the level of Federer/Nadal/Djokovic and Hewitt/Roddick continue to be more accomplished than him. I think Nalbandian is more talented than a lot of players who have won slams but in the end, it doesn't matter.
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Also raises the issue of why WTF cannot be played on clay. Yeah right. Not enough that his nephew was already enjoying the benefit of surface homogenization and slowing in general, even if the surface is a hard court. Now he wants even more of the slow stuff.

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Are you sure he didn't say "hard courts" instead of "super fast courts"?
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Are you sure he didn't say "hard courts" instead of "super fast courts"?
Let's hope so, ey? Otherwise it seems he may be on crack
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He's right on the surface part

2 hardcourt slams, 1 clay one and the WTF is on hardcourt as well.

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He's right on the surface part

2 hardcourt slams, 1 clay one and the WTF is on hardcourt as well.
Weren`t "2 hardcourt slams" to be played on blue clay nowadays?

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