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Nadal more than 15 matches ahead. 108 40.15%
Nadal 13-14 matches ahead. 25 9.29%
Nadal 11-12 matches ahead. 20 7.43%
Nadal 9-10 matches ahead. 20 7.43%
Nadal 7-8 matches ahead. 20 7.43%
Nadal 5-6 matches ahead. 19 7.06%
Nadal 3-4 matches ahead. 5 1.86%
Nadal 1-2 matches ahead. 1 0.37%
Equal 4 1.49%
Federer ahead 47 17.47%
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Re: Endless Federer-Nadal debates (WTF vs Olympics)

Federer has reached 34 consecutive QF's.

Nadal has played in 33 slams total.

Says a lot.
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Re: Endless Federer-Nadal debates (WTF vs Olympics)

Fed has played 6 US Open finals v SIX different opponents

has played 7 Masters Cup finals v SEVEN different opponents

lost 2 of those (both choked 5 setters v 2 diff Argies)

8 US Open quarter finals v Agassi, Nalbandian, Roddick, Berdych, Soderling x2, Tsonga, Blake
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Re: Endless Federer-Nadal debates (WTF vs Olympics)

Why is their even a debate?

17>11
6 or whatever YEC fed has > 0
77 > 45ish
Masters equal, fed has like 200 more weeks at no.1
More finals of GS, more Wimbledons etc etc

This is as one sided as those stupid Schumacher vs fangio debates

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As for Mugray, what can be said? A disgusting human being, and awful player, and a choking pushing mug. He looks like a kemo patient, bald spots, hairless legs, pasty blotchy skin, busted teeth, and an ugly, snarling face. Typical antics all came out in this match: faking injuries, grimacing and cursing, trying to peg Fed, trying to start drama, undeserved final based on an exhausted old man and a joke draw.

I'm no Fakervic fan but he needs to save tennis, sadly tree trunk legs will be fresh. Interesting he's never questioned....
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Re: Endless Federer-Nadal debates (WTF vs Olympics)

I don't think the debate is about 17 vs 11 because the numbers are clear. Federer has achieved more in the primary categories. Nadal has kept pace in the secondary categores.

I believe the debate has more to do with how can Federer be the best ever if he loses over 60% of his matches against his main rival. Roger has an excellent record against the rest of the field. Nadal has a great record against the rest of the field, but not as good as Roger. That being said, Rafa still has a better winning percentage.
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I don't think the debate is about 17 vs 11 because the numbers are clear. Federer has achieved more in the primary categories. Nadal has kept pace in the secondary categores.
What secondary categories?

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I believe the debate has more to do with how can Federer be the best ever if he loses over 60% of his matches against his main rival. Roger has an excellent record against the rest of the field. Nadal has a great record against the rest of the field, but not as good as Roger. That being said, Rafa still has a better winning percentage.
Professional tennis is played mostly on HC, and yet most of Nadal's wins vs Fed (or anyone else) were on clay.
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Rafa was a slam contender at all the slams from 2008 on (at least SF in every slam that year).
So if the Nadal-Fed h2h is so important, then Nadal should have stopped Federer from winning USO 2008, RG 2009, Wim 2009, Aus 2010, Wim 2012.
Then Fed would be on 12 slams, and Rafa on something like 16. In that case, the h2h would actually matter.

In real life, the h2h means nothing. Fed is clearly the better player, despite having a match-up issue.

Muzza has a winning h2h with Roger. Is he a greater player? Does it make Fed not the GOAT because of that?
Again, Muzz has never taken Fed out in a slam, so the h2h is almost meaningless.
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Rafa was a slam contender at all the slams from 2008 on (at least SF in every slam that year).
So if the Nadal-Fed h2h is so important, then Nadal should have stopped Federer from winning USO 2008, RG 2009, Wim 2009, Aus 2010, Wim 2012.
Then Fed would be on 12 slams, and Rafa on something like 16. In that case, the h2h would actually matter.

In real life, the h2h means nothing. Fed is clearly the better player, despite having a match-up issue.

Muzza has a winning h2h with Roger. Is he a greater player? Does it make Fed not the GOAT because of that?
Again, Muzz has never taken Fed out in a slam, so the h2h is almost meaningless.
Great comparison since 9:8 is the same as 18:10 including every surface in a Grand Slam

The moment Rafa-Fed H2H is mentioned Fedtards should humbly bow their heads,say "Too good", and walk away with the little dignity they have left.

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Great comparison since 9:8 is the same as 18:10 including every surface in a Grand Slam

The moment Rafa-Fed H2H is mentioned Fedtards should humbly bow their heads,say "Too good", and walk away with the little dignity they have left.
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Great comparison since 9:8 is the same as 18:10 including every surface in a Grand Slam

The moment Rafa-Fed H2H is mentioned Fedtards should humbly bow their heads,say "Too good", and walk away with the little dignity they have left.
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sampras the real GOAT

no bad h2hs
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I'm no Fakervic fan but he needs to save tennis, sadly tree trunk legs will be fresh. Interesting he's never questioned....
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sampras the real GOAT

no bad h2hs
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As for Mugray, what can be said? A disgusting human being, and awful player, and a choking pushing mug. He looks like a kemo patient, bald spots, hairless legs, pasty blotchy skin, busted teeth, and an ugly, snarling face. Typical antics all came out in this match: faking injuries, grimacing and cursing, trying to peg Fed, trying to start drama, undeserved final based on an exhausted old man and a joke draw.

I'm no Fakervic fan but he needs to save tennis, sadly tree trunk legs will be fresh. Interesting he's never questioned....
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No bad H2H with 10+ total games played?

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4-5 is a bad head to head?

i think the 'worst' head to head sampras had was 4-6 against krajicek
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Rafa was a slam contender at all the slams from 2008 on (at least SF in every slam that year).
So if the Nadal-Fed h2h is so important, then Nadal should have stopped Federer from winning USO 2008, RG 2009, Wim 2009, Aus 2010, Wim 2012.
Contender? Yes. It doesn't mean it's an automatic win for Nadal though. And even if they met in those majors, the H2H is not 28-0, it's 18-10 for a 64% winning rate against Roger. You mentioned the majors that Roger won from 2008 onwards (even the ones he didn't play Rafa, for some reason) – totalling five – how about mentioning the ones that Nadal won during the same time frame – which totals eight. So, from 2008 onwards, of all the majors won between the two of them, the ratio is 8:5 in favour of Nadal, for a winning rate of 62%. Seems to correlate with the H2H percentage.

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Then Fed would be on 12 slams, and Rafa on something like 16. In that case, the h2h would actually matter.
On the contrary, if Rafa led the slam count as well as leading the H2H, the H2H wouldn't matter because it's normally a given. If Person A has more slams than Person B, it stands to reason that Person A must lead the H2H so it doesn't need to be mentioned and won't be as important – see Sampras-Agassi, Borg-Connors, Lendl-McEnroe. What makes the Federer-Nadal H2H strange is Federer has six more majors than Rafa but has eight more losses in their H2H. A difference of two or three wins could be handwaved but an eight win difference is pretty big (and 28 matches is a large sample size for this sport). I'm certain you won't find another player who has led so much in the slam count but fell behind so much in the H2H, which is why it's always brought up. Personally, I attribute it to being a matchup issue, similar to Edberg-Courier, but it is what it is.
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