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That is why the Nadaltards wins it all when it comes to worst fanbase. All those years at #2 really messed them up.
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That is why the Nadaltards wins it all when it comes to worst fanbase. All those years at #2 really messed them up.
They have so little artillery that they have to resort to lies to defend their position. No true Fedfan cares about the career golden slam or the h2h with Nadal. It's all nonsense. And besides Roger have all the records that count.
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That is why the Nadaltards wins it all when it comes to worst fanbase. All those years at #2 really messed them up.
Except most of the posters in this thread I've seen aren't Nadaltards and are just arguing the point because it's logical.

I do like how the Murray/Federer supporters prefer to slam other fan bases and posters instead of coming back with any type of valid points or just repeating the same tired things over and over again.

I admit this thread defeated me, I refuse to try and debate this topic anymore as my time would be better spent in threads where posters aren't so emotionally involved with the topics at hand.

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And i voted Federer ahead... a few days ago
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As a Fed fan I am bothered a lot by Fed h2h against Rafa, not because I think it's a meaningful stat for Fed's legacy but because Rafa denied him so many (more) great achievements.

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As a Fed fan I am bothered a lot by Fed h2h against Rafa, not because I think it's a meaningful stat for Fed's legacy but because Rafa denied him so many (more) great achievements.
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As a Fed fan I am bothered a lot by Fed h2h against Rafa, not because I think it's a meaningful stat for Fed's legacy but because Rafa denied him so many (more) great achievements.
Fed needs Nadull , yes he took away some achievement , here and there but being a Great player is more than numbers.
Nadull help show Feds resilience in the face of difficulty , his superior mentality.
Fed pretty much owned the tennis world from 04-07 .
However he was destroyed by nadull in his decline from 08- jan 09 he went 5-0. He could have throw in the towel become a shadow of himself. He chose another part a path to fight till the bitter end against the younger more physically adept players in their Prime .
In short nadull prove fed is not a coward

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Fed needs Nadull , yes he took away some achievement , here and there but being a Great player is more than numbers.
Nadull help show Feds resilience in the face of difficulty , his superior mentality.
Fed pretty much owned the tennis world from 04-07 .
However he was destroyed by nadull in his decline from 08- jan 09 he went 5-0. He could have throw in the towel become a shadow of himself. He chose another part a path to fight till the bitter end against the younger more physically adept players in their Prime .
In short nadull prove fed is not a coward
I wish the same can be said about his "fans"

And you talking about Fed's "superior mentality" What is Fed's break point conversion against Nadal? Being stubborn and refusing to adjust your game against your main rival is just

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I wish the same can be said about his "fans"

And you talking about Fed's "superior mentality" What is Fed's break point conversion against Nadal? Being stubborn and refusing to adjust your game against your main rival is just
Fed is strong mentally . However is poor tactically.
He has the one of the greatest players in Tiebreaks a clear sign of being mentally strong.
Fed is poor on break points because he isn't an aggressive returner. Coupled with the fact his ROS has gotten worse as he aged.

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And you talking about Fed's "superior mentality" What is Fed's break point conversion against Nadal? Being stubborn and refusing to adjust your game against your main rival is just
I understand you Nadal fans are proud of his H2H against Federer, but I am sick of hearing that Fed didn't adjust his game against Rafa.

What did he have to do exactly since you seem to know better?

I think there's a huge mismatch between Rafa's forehand and Fed one handed backhand. On slow, high-bouncing surface this becomes an enormous advantage for Rafa, therefore he wins most of the times against him.

In different conditions Fed is able to handle the mismatch better, and can snatch some wins.

If you can explain what Fed should have done to "adjust his game" against Rafa I'll be grateful.

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I understand you Nadal fans are proud of his H2H against Federer, but I am sick of hearing that Fed didn't adjust his game against Rafa.

What did he have to do exactly since you seem to know better?

I think there's a huge mismatch between Rafa's forehand and Fed one handed backhand. On slow, high-bouncing surface this becomes an enormous advantage for Rafa, therefore he wins most of the times against him.

In different conditions Fed is able to handle the mismatch better, and can snatch some wins.

If you can explain what Fed should have done to "adjust his game" against Rafa I'll be grateful.
Please, quote a post of mine where I claim to "know better". By not adjusting his game I meant the following:


When Federer lost their first meeting at Roland Garros in 2005, he went for his shots, tried to keep the points short and, as a result, made a huge number of UEs. After this match Federer has had 4 more chances to play Rafa at Roland Garros and he employed the same playing strategy, even saying in the process (ironically, before the 2008 Final if I am not mistaken) that he is getting very close to beating Rafa in Paris. How so, nothing really changed. Even worse, Federer became very passive (so untypical of him)on break points, especially on Rafa's weak second serves.

I am not a tennis specialist so I can't be certain what adjustments would have helped Federer. I, and pretty much any commentator during their matches, am merely observing that Federer played "his game" over and over again with the same result. If I were to offer a suggestion, I would say go for broke on Rafa's slow second serves, cover entirely your backhand side when Rafa is serving from the Ad-court and let him beat you with a serve on the Tee. That, of course, does not guarantee anything, but could result in Federer breaking Rafa more and having a greater chance to win.

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Please, quote a post of mine where I claim to "know better". By not adjusting his game I meant the following:


When Federer lost their first meeting at Roland Garros in 2005, he went for his shots, tried to keep the points short and, as a result, made a huge number of UEs. After this match Federer has had 4 more chances to play Rafa at Roland Garros and he employed the same playing strategy, even saying in the process (ironically, before the 2008 Final if I am not mistaken) that he is getting very close to beating Rafa in Paris. How so, nothing really changed. Even worse, Federer became very passive (so untypical of him)on break points, especially on Rafa's weak second serves.

I am not a tennis specialist so I can't be certain what adjustments would have helped Federer. I, and pretty much any commentator during their matches, am merely observing that Federer played "his game" over and over again with the same result. If I were to offer a suggestion, I would say go for broke on Rafa's slow second serves, cover entirely your backhand side when Rafa is serving from the Ad-court and let him beat you with a serve on the Tee. That, of course, does not guarantee anything, but could result in Federer breaking Rafa more and having a greater chance to win.
I don't think Fed didn't think about adjustments, I think at some point of his career he even hired a coach specifically to improve on clay. It's just Rafa is too good on clay, Fed beat him 2 times out of 14, it's not much, but I don't know if you can find someone who's beaten Rafa consistently on clay. I think everyone must accept that Rafa is the best on that surface. Maybe winning Rome finals in 2006 wouldn't have hurt and would have given Fed a win over Rafa on clay BO5 (memo for Fed: match points have to be taken!)

On the remaining surfaces H2H is slightly in Fed's favour (8-6). I think the worst thing in his H2H are 2 losses on HC at the Australian Open. Surface is slowish, but I think Fed should have found a way to win one (especially in 2009). I still don't get how he crumbled in the fifth set (to be honest he should have found a way to win before that but still).

They never met at the USO when Fed won his 5 titles there, so we'll never know what would have happened when Fed was at his best there. That's not Rafa's or Fed's fault BTW.

Anyway I think it's obvious H2H will remain in Rafa's favour by a lot of wins (at least 5+).

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I don't think Fed didn't think about adjustments, I think at some point of his career he even hired a coach specifically to improve on clay. It's just Rafa is too good on clay, Fed beat him 2 times out of 14, it's not much, but I don't know if you can find someone who's beaten Rafa consistently on clay. I think everyone must accept that Rafa is the best on that surface. Maybe winning Rome finals in 2006 wouldn't have hurt and would have given Fed a win over Rafa on clay BO5 (memo for Fed: match points have to be taken!)

On the remaining surfaces H2H is slightly in Fed's favour (8-6). I think the worst thing in his H2H are 2 losses on HC at the Australian Open. Surface is slowish, but I think Fed should have found a way to win one (especially in 2009). I still don't get how he crumbled in the fifth set (to be honest he should have found a way to win before that but still).

They never met at the USO when Fed won his 5 titles there, so we'll never know what would have happened when Fed was at his best there. That's not Rafa's or Fed's fault BTW.

Anyway I think it's obvious H2H will remain in Rafa's favour by a lot of wins (at least 5+).
I agree, that Rome 2006 match could have made things much different. About the USOpen, I believe that Rafa would have lost to Fed during Fed's dominance there between 2004-2007 just like I believe Fed would have lost both USOpen'10 and USOpen'11 had he reached the final. But we'll never know

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