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Nadal 7-8 matches ahead. 20 7.43%
Nadal 5-6 matches ahead. 19 7.06%
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Re: Olympics Final: Murray destroys Federer 6-2 6-1 6-4

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Man, come on look at Nadal's match in 2003 Monte Carlo. He was 16 and defeated the then French Open Champion, Albert Costa. He defeated Federer in Miami 2004 on hard court, which is not slow at all. So no need to underrate his successes. In the same sense, no need to underrate Federer's accomplishments because he lost to Nadal successive times. He would have beat him a lot of times, if Nadal were capable of making finals to US open or Australian open around 2006 and 2007.


I have another question, how likely is it that Federer's performance was affected by his marathon match with Del Potro? Since they have played one less match than a grand slam and just best of three, I cannot judge whether that long match was detrimental on his final performance. And again, I don't just blame Federer for losing. Murray played really great. I don't remember any best of 5 matches, in which he had such a high break point defence rate. He didn't get broken did he? Oh man. Congratulate him before swearing him.
of course than nadal would win very much too , but I am sure that he faces guys like corretja , kuerten , muster , courier , bruguera and more , he would lose more too.

I remember coria , when he played a very hard match against nadal , and coria after 2005 he was out of tennis , nadal would win but he would lose more matches too , gaudio out too.
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Re: Endless Federer-Nadal debates (WTF vs Olympics)

Pointless thread. Nadal isn't in the same league and never will be
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Why all the fighting we should just celebrate the greatest tennis Olympians in history.
Murray with 2 , I gold I silver
Fed with 2 , I gold (double) 1 silver.
Multiple champions , others are just flukes eg Massu etc.
Massu is a multiple champion. He won both singles and doubles (with Gonzales).
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Why all the fighting we should just celebrate the greatest tennis Olympians in history.
Murray with 2 , I gold I silver
Fed with 2 , I gold (double) 1 silver.
Multiple champions , others are just flukes eg Nadal&Djokovic etc.
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Massu is a multiple champion. He won both singles and doubles (with Gonzales).
Well then he is in elite company.

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poor Fumus- must be awful to be so consumed with the need to disparage one person's achievements at every turn - and to know in the end, that whatever you postulate here isn't a) reaching Fed's ears and b) will make absolutely no difference to his achievements or other people's perceptions of him and his career
I don't care what Federer thinks...LOL. I mean, you think I post this stuff because I want him to read it. I post my opinion here for the same reason everyone else does, I want to voice my point of view. I don't care if you agree with me or not.

I think that the Olympics are a joke event for professional tennis players and shouldn't even be held.

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the more Roddick has declined, the more of a trolling parrot Fumus is. Coincidence or?
Well I guess, you'll be dealing with "trolling parrot Fumus" until I die then. It's really been about this forum and as I've increased with my knowledge about this sport, I get more sick of reading the stupid crap that's posted here. I'm here to liberate readers of this board from the tyrannical postings of crazy fan boys and trolls. I'm giving you a better class of poster.


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Hahaha. Wow. Less meaningful, really... because his greatest rival is not good enough to reach the final?

This gets into a whole new dimension of retardation.
Of course it is....are you joking me? Those wins are tainted. It's like the 1987 NFL season...with scab players.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1987_NFL_season

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if nadal is beated by the nº100 it`s not federer fault.....

nadal never defeated federer in slam with the exception of roland garros when federer was in his peak , when nadal started with his peak and roger started his decline , nadal could beat him in wimbledon and australia , both slams in an more slower surface than before and he needed 5 very hard sets to defeated past peak federer.

nobody said nothing when nadal is winning very much in clay in a most weak era on clay of all times , I mean where are the greatest clay specialist of this era?????

his main rivals , are two fast courts specialists , nole and federer
Huh? Nadal has owned Fed forever...since he came on the scene. Pure PWNERSHIP.

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Anyway it's just IF, no ? WHAT IF is the endless debate. For example, what happened if this era has more high-quality clay court specialists ?
You are correct....IF debates are pointless. I will say however, that winning RG and Wimbledon by dodging your main rival is definitely less meaningful.

Also, I am right about Federer never winning RG if he kept having to play Nadal in the final...and also never winning another GS if he had to play Nadal to win it.


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Is it a coincidence. Fumus, tangy , n star are very active in this thread lol.
This is a classy thread, we are just a bunch of classy posters. Also, I'm awesome and any thread I post in becomes instantly better and more interesting. You should be thankful for the knowledge I am imparting on you. It's like pure tennis gold.

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Fumus jumping on the clay courters back . Z zzzzzzzz wake me up when he wins a 250 off clay he he.
Last year he was Novaks BITCH , losing 7 in a row. Even fed never put up those numbers against his greatest rival .Fed destroyed roddicks career nothing u can do about it now Fumus.
The Olympics in tennis are meaningless + Murray being a choker + Federer's tainted GOAT status = Roddick sucks? Wait what?!

LOL, I love posting in the GM. I can really say anything...like I enjoy Macoroni and cheese and posters will say "Roddick sucks, get out of here!". Jeesh! I don't see how Roddick is relevant in this matter, except that you want to say hurtful things about my favorite. That just makes me sad. Really your words are like daggers that cut me to my very core. OUCH!

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Re: Endless Federer-Nadal debates (WTF vs Olympics)

The butthurt Fedtards are more bitter than ever, I love it

Suk it, idiots, Federina will never win a Career Gold Slam

But feel free to continue your delusional arguments that Fed having a DOUBLES gold medal actually matters

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Re: Endless Federer-Nadal debates (WTF vs Olympics)

difference between Fed's and Nadal's numbers is so big like if Nadal won 5 Olympics in a row and Fed's at the same time didn't pass afirst round

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I don't understand the WTF vs Olympics. Federer is superior in both occasions. The value of 1 Olympic gold is 1 Olympic gold. IT doesn't matter if it comes from tennis singles, doubles, sailing, or riding a horse which is doing all of the physical work for you.

Federer > Nadal at Olympics
Federer >>>>>> Nadal at WTF

Educating MTF clowns one post at a time.
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I don't care what Federer thinks...LOL. I mean, you think I post this stuff because I want him to read it. I post my opinion here for the same reason everyone else does, I want to voice my point of view. I don't care if you agree with me or not.

I think that the Olympics are a joke event for professional tennis players and shouldn't even be held.



Well I guess, you'll be dealing with "trolling parrot Fumus" until I die then. It's really been about this forum and as I've increased with my knowledge about this sport, I get more sick of reading the stupid crap that's posted here. I'm here to liberate readers of this board from the tyrannical postings of crazy fan boys and trolls. I'm giving you a better class of poster.




Of course it is....are you joking me? Those wins are tainted. It's like the 1987 NFL season...with scab players.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1987_NFL_season



Huh? Nadal has owned Fed forever...since he came on the scene. Pure PWNERSHIP.



You are correct....IF debates are pointless. I will say however, that winning RG and Wimbledon by dodging your main rival is definitely less meaningful.

Also, I am right about Federer never winning RG if he kept having to play Nadal in the final...and also never winning another GS if he had to play Nadal to win it.




This is a classy thread, we are just a bunch of classy posters. Also, I'm awesome and any thread I post in becomes instantly better and more interesting. You should be thankful for the knowledge I am imparting on you. It's like pure tennis gold.



The Olympics in tennis are meaningless + Murray being a choker + Federer's tainted GOAT status = Roddick sucks? Wait what?!

LOL, I love posting in the GM. I can really say anything...like I enjoy Macoroni and cheese and posters will say "Roddick sucks, get out of here!". Jeesh! I don't see how Roddick is relevant in this matter, except that you want to say hurtful things about my favorite. That just makes me sad. Really your words are like daggers that cut me to my very core. OUCH!
Simply put , roddicks presence in this thread is as relevant as nadull , who u brought up .
This thread is about fed n Murray and the OG .

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Because Fedole didn't have all the desire here??
I said in a slam... which is a very different animal to the Olympics. For whatever reason, Murray performs extremely well in medium-to-high level pressure situations (e.g. Slam QFs & SFs, Masters, Olympics), yet has repeatedly failed at the very heighest level of the sport (Slams, WTF).

Take August 2008 for example. He wins Cincinnati (defeating Djokovic in the final), storms through Del Potro (QF) and Nadal (SF) to reach the final of the US Open, where he faces Federer. Now Federer hasn't won a slam in three attempts and he's at his lowest point of confidence in five years, whereas Murray has all the confidence in the world and is in cracking form. More importantly, going into the match Murray leads the HTH 2-1 (having won the last two meetings between them). So what happens? Well, the Scot completely collapses mentally and Federer thrashes him 2, 5, and 2.

You see this pattern over and over again throughout his career, and it's illustrated by his HTH vs the Top 3 in slam situations as opposed to on lesser stages perfectly.

Murray vs Federer:
Slams 0-3 (all finals)
Other 9-4

Murray vs Djokovic:
Slams 0-2 (all finals)
Other 6-6

Murray vs Nadal:

Slams 2*-6 (no finals)
Other 7-3

*one of these was a retirement

Fair enough, he often struggles with Nadal in non-slam situations too (although a number of those have been on clay), but clearly these three players always have something more (mentally speaking) when it comes to performing on the biggest stage. Yes, he can beat them in 500s, Masters, the Olympics, etc; he has the game to beat them, but he simply doesn't have the mental fortitude to do it when it comes to Grand Slams.
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The WTF is an important title but there's no such thing as a "career WTF slam" - whether people at MTF like it or not all the tennis media have been tweeting and writing about the following achievements - "Serena Williams joins Graff, Agassi and Nadal" as the only winners of the career golden slam. Roger can enjoy his doubles medal but he won't ever have that. He has more than enough other things in his career for it not to matter all that much, BUT to pretend that a doubles gold and a silver single is worth more or is equal to a singles gold is utter nonsense. Would a swimmer want a relay gold and a silver or that one gold medal telling them they, and they alone, are the Olympic champion at that distance? No question - gold in an individual event is different - no one remembers who was in every 100m relay team - you remember the single runner.

And now it's clear that no matter what it might have been in the past, the players care about the Olympics way more than the WTF. Delpo said it was one of the best things that had ever happened to him (winning bronze!) and maybe better than winning a slam (maybe going a bit far but he's patriotic and it was Argentina's first medal!), Djokovic said those defeats have been some of the toughest of his career - no way does a WTF matter that much - mainly because they'll just try again next year. This is a once every 4 year opportunity -rare and thus more special.

Fed's tried to win it 4 times and has fallen short - in some ways it's ridiculous given how dominant he's been over that period - but it's just one of those things. Borg kept missing out on the US Open, Lendl on Wimbledon and for Fed it's the gold medal.

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Federina will never win a Career Gold Slam


That greatness only belongs to Graff, Agassi, Nadal and Serena... maybe even Nole in the future. A very exclusive club of true legends.
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The WTF is an important title but there's no such thing as a "career WTF slam" - whether people at MTF like it or not all the tennis media have been tweeting and writing about the following achievements - "Serena Williams joins Graff, Agassi and Nadal" as the only winners of the career golden slam. Roger can enjoy his doubles medal but he won't ever have that. He has more than enough other things in his career for it not to matter all that much, BUT to pretend that a doubles gold and a silver single is worth more or is equal to a singles gold is utter nonsense. Would a swimmer want a relay gold and a silver or that one gold medal telling them they, and they alone, are the Olympic champion at that distance? No question - gold in an individual event is different - no one remembers who was in every 100m relay team - you remember the single runner.

And now it's clear that no matter what it might have been in the past, the players care about the WTF way more. Delpo said it was one of the best things that had ever happened to him (winning bronze!) and maybe better than winning a slam (maybe going a bit far but he's patriotic and it was Argentina's first medal!), Djokovic said those defeats have been some of the toughest of his career - no way does a WTF matter that much - mainly because they'll just try again next year. This is a once every 4 year opportunity -rare and thus more special.

Fed's tried to win it 4 times and has fallen short - in some ways it's ridiculous given how dominant he's been over that period - but it's just one of those things. Borg kept missing out on the US Open, Lendl on Wimbledon and for Fed it's the gold medal.
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That greatness only belongs to Graff, Agassi, Nadal and Serena... maybe even Nole in the future. A very exclusive club of true legends.
Sorry, but Championship (YEM) Slam > Golden (OG) Slam
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