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Nadal more than 15 matches ahead. 108 40.15%
Nadal 13-14 matches ahead. 25 9.29%
Nadal 11-12 matches ahead. 20 7.43%
Nadal 9-10 matches ahead. 20 7.43%
Nadal 7-8 matches ahead. 20 7.43%
Nadal 5-6 matches ahead. 19 7.06%
Nadal 3-4 matches ahead. 5 1.86%
Nadal 1-2 matches ahead. 1 0.37%
Equal 4 1.49%
Federer ahead 47 17.47%
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post #751 of 4037 (permalink) Old 07-12-2012, 12:24 PM
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Yeah, and why don't you add Rosol to that as well? Come on, only relevant match ups.

And he's a candidate, whether you like it or not. CGS, olympic gold, davis cups, GOAT on clay, winning H2H against all of his main rivals, including Federer. And only 26 years old, when his career is over, he's in the mix, he already is.
"Relevant" meaning what exactly? Hang on, I've got it! Meaning favourable to Nadal.

No, he is not a candidate. He is way too far behind in the things that count most: majors won & time at No. 1.

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the only things Nadull is candidate at are the amount of buttpicking done during the match and the uncanny ability to cheat and get away with it...leave the GOAT matters to the real gentlemens of this sport

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Show me a -8 H2H of Rafa, pleeeaaase

The difference between Sampras, Rafa, and Federer is that Rafa and Pete were nobody's bitch Sure, there are a couple of players with positive H2H against them, but noone has ever spanked either Rafa or Pete 18 out of 28 times

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Either you believe Federer is GOAT or he is not. But if you don't believe Federer is GOAT, I don't understand how you can make a case for Nadal as GOAT when he is lagging behind Federer in every achievement that matters The H2H against Federer is the only thing that elevates Nadal, but if Federer is not to be considered the GOAT then fuck all about the H2H, it's just a meaningless positive H2H against a "subpar champion who won his slams against a weak era / unhealthy Djokodal"
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Show me a -8 H2H of Rafa, pleeeaaase

The difference between Sampras, Rafa, and Federer is that Rafa and Pete were nobody's bitch Sure, there are a couple of players with positive H2H against them, but noone has ever spanked either Rafa or Pete 18 out of 28 times
Fed and Pistol Pete never got slapped, BAGELED, 6-0 times in one season like Rafito did last year at the hands of Djoko
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Fed and Pistol Pete never got slapped, BAGELED, 6-0 times in one season like Rafito did last year at the hands of Djoko
nadal is also the first male tennis player ever to lose 3 consecutive gs-finals
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nadal is also the first male tennis player ever to lose 3 consecutive gs-finals
I don't know how this considered a bad thing.

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nadal is also the first male tennis player ever to lose 3 consecutive gs-finals
How about your idol losing RG'08 , Wi'08, and AO'09 against Rafa? Even though they are not consecutive, the GS finals Fed lost to his master were on 3 different surfaces. Quite a feat! When will Fed man up and start beating Rafa in GS finals

But thanks for involving Nole in the conversation, that only confirms what cowards the Fedtards are. Enjoy being fans of a bitch

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This thread is full o' shit.
From both sides.

Also from the third side too.

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I don't know how this considered a bad thing.
Actually it is a VERY good comparison to Federer's negative H2H vs. Nadal.


See, losing 3 times in a row in a GS final 'sounds' bad - but Nadal had to be good enough to get there in the first place.

Likewise, losing to Nadal so many times on clay in FINALS - sounds bad, but Federer had to be good enough to get to the finals in the first place.


Just think about it.

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the only things Nadull is candidate at are the amount of buttpicking done during the match and the uncanny ability to cheat and get away with it...leave the GOAT matters to the real gentlemens of this sport

That would be neither Nadal nor Federer then...

It would be Djokovic

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Show me a -8 H2H of Rafa, pleeeaaase

The difference between Sampras, Rafa, and Federer is that Rafa and Pete were nobody's bitch Sure, there are a couple of players with positive H2H against them, but noone has ever spanked either Rafa or Pete 18 out of 28 times
Again, -8 is not bad. If it was 0-8, then that would indeed be bad. However, 10-18 is by no means bad. Also, it's already been stated many times that half of their 28 meetings were on clay, and 5/8 Grand Slam wins by Nadal were at the French Open. The explanation for this is very simple - Nadal is the GOAT on clay. Also, Nadal was not making the finals of the Australian Open and US Open in 2004-2007 to face Federer (also not making many of the Masters 1000 hard court tournament finals), which were very clearly Federer's peak years on outdoor hard courts. Federer and Nadal were ranked no. 1 and no. 2 respectively, and so they could only meet in the final.

Furthermore, H2H is relatively meaningless in the grand scheme of looking at who is the GOAT. If you look at history, no one remembers or discusses who had positive H2H records against Sampras, Borg or Laver. They only remember that they were great champions with amazing records. I can tell you that eg. Kuerten would have something like an 18-10 record against Sampras if they had faced off more on clay courts.

Anyway, as I've said before, there're always holes to be poked in any GOAT candidate. Laver played most Grand Slams on grass and played in an era where "professional" tennis was no where near the level it is now. Borg never won the Australian or US Open (tried 9 times to win the US Open, reached 4 finals, but failed every time). Sampras never won the French Open and basically has had all his significant records equalled or surpassed by Federer. Federer has a losing H2H record against his greatest rival and has only won the French Open once (sorry, couldn't think of anything else!). Nadal has never won the Year-End Championships and apart from records on clay courts, he doesn't hold any other significant records.

When the dust is settled, you'd have to pick Federer as the GOAT. Sure, you can poke holes into this, but with Federer, there are very few holes to be poked!

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