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Nadal more than 15 matches ahead. 108 40.15%
Nadal 13-14 matches ahead. 25 9.29%
Nadal 11-12 matches ahead. 20 7.43%
Nadal 9-10 matches ahead. 20 7.43%
Nadal 7-8 matches ahead. 20 7.43%
Nadal 5-6 matches ahead. 19 7.06%
Nadal 3-4 matches ahead. 5 1.86%
Nadal 1-2 matches ahead. 1 0.37%
Equal 4 1.49%
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post #376 of 4037 (permalink) Old 01-15-2011, 02:29 PM
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Re: Rivalry with Nadal has forged stronger friendship, says Federer

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But that's perfectly true! Sometimes a player does lose because he played badly. I don't see how you could really argue otherwise.

Federer's point is that he can't always be expected to have a higher level than his opponent and just because his opponent won doesn't mean there was anything in particular wrong with his game - as often defeat comes because his opponent simply executed better on the day. There can only be one winner after, all.
Ms/Mr Shelly would like to have us believe that every player loses every time because their opponents played at a higher level - or maybe it's only Federer that's demanded of Really curious to see a perfectly ordinary statement taken and run up some sort of imaginary flagpole



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Federer admitting he was defeated by the better player on the day was never the problem. It's always been Nadull who comes up with phantom injuries, sicknesses, and bs excuses for his losses. Not surprising though to see a Fedal gloryhunter letting Nadull take credit for Federer's grace and humility
Hi, The Madician. Now, u didn't refer to me by name, but i'm assuming u r referring to me from the tone of ur post so i'll answer to it/u as follows:

1. Nadal is a top athlete, playing a very demanding sport in a very physical manner at a very consistent level. If u think his injuries are "phantom" then u r an even bigger moron than I thought. Also that boy has NEVER used injuries or illnesses as an excuse for ANY of his losses. That is a "phantom" perception attributed to him. Brought on by idiot posters like u on this forum in response to honest and factual analyses of some of his losses by a few of his fans on here.

2. Federer, with the use of the word "sometimes", managed to grudgingly admit that he MAY have been beaten by the better player on the day in SOME of his losses. Thereby implying that he was the better player in his other losses and he therefore lost due to other factors...you know . This just came off as condescending and arrogant. U don't have to see this as i'm not trying to persuade u. I know u have already drank the federer kool-aid. too late to save u now.

3. Under NO CIRCUMSTANCES should u EVER refer to me as a Fedal fan. this suggests that I am a federer fan which I certainly AM NOT. For the sake of his tennis I hoped I could be because he is a great player but his personality is such a big turn off that I can do nothing but dislike that guy. Plus i find his style of play and demeanour on court quite boring regardless of his great shotmaking. Just my preference.

Where u r confused is that I can actually dislike a player and still be respectful towards him and credit him with his accomplishments fairly. Foreign concept, i know but try it .

4. I am a Rafael Nadal fan through and through. I have been this way since that 2008 Wimbledon final and I will remain so forever. Regretfully late to the Rafa party i know but better late than never. I am NO gloryhunter. I have been his fan through great victories and horrible defeats and I have no intention of jumping ship when things go bad. EVER.

Rafa is a true champion and a spectacular human being. i don't have to give him someone else's humility and grace to justify my fandom (where exactly did i do this ). he has these qualities in spades; all on his own which is remarkable in someone so young. He is an inspiration to all . Your guy could learn a thing or two from him . Maybe some of it will rub off since they have been hanging out a bit more lately !!

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Nadal: rivalry with Federer has forged a turkey.

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Why do they have to play tennis indoors.

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Why did they slow down the grass.

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THE GREAT TACTICAL RIVALRY OF THE OPEN ERA
FEDERER 10 VS TONI NADAL 20
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Hi, The Madician.

2. Federer, with the use of the word "sometimes", managed to grudgingly admit that he MAY
have been beaten by the better player on the day in SOME of his losses. Thereby implying that he was the better player in his other losses and he therefore lost due to other factors...you know . This just came off as condescending and arrogant. U don't have to see this as i'm not trying to persuade u. I know u have already drank the federer kool-aid. too late to save u now.
This provides a solid example of a saying in these parts: "When goat dung want to roll, it will roll uphill"



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Hi, The Madician. Now, u didn't refer to me by name, but i'm assuming u r referring to me from the tone of ur post so i'll answer to it/u as follows...
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Nadull saying ---Fed is favorite & GOAT
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Why do they have to play tennis indoors.

Fed saying---nadull is a great player,constantly improving.
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Why did they slow down the grass.





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actually, note carefully the "sometimes" at the beginning of the sentence.

the connotation here is that he is not always beaten for this reason. "sometimes" other things caused his defeat. you know- like mentally weakened, injured, mono, poor light etc.
... which is 100% correct, as far as I'm concerned.

Are you going to deny that? If I was Roger, I would actually say 'rarely' instead of 'sometimes'.

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Is this how you analyze everybody around you? Oh my god... what a loser lol get a life
what part of my post led to this generalisation from you? i simply posted my impression of how federer comes off to me in the things he says. how did everybody become involved .

i always find it hilarious when someone who has thousands of posts on a forum, amassed over a period of months or years where he/she is continually kissing some guy's ass whom they probably have never met and will probably never meet because they are incable of leaving their mother's basement, find it necessary to inform another poster that they are losers who should get a life .

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I wonder if you conducted 5 zillion press conferences over the next 7 years, and we analysed every single word and phrase of yours, what conclusions we'd arrive at.
i dont know. why don't we wait to find out.

what about you? how do you think you'd do?

thankfully you and i are not placed in such an unenviable position where we are constantly being judged by the whole world in every single gesture, word, action or deed. as you say what conclusions would the world arrive at with regards to us?

unfortunately, every public persona has to endure this situation. it's the price of fame or notoriety; the trade -off that each of them knows comes with the territory.

some of them say and do the right things and fare well with everyone. some...not so much.

federer is not a bad guy or a terrible person but he DOES say some things that are objectionable and despicable. where i have a problem with him is that he is very clever in disguising it and therefore manages to suck some people in into thinking he is being charming and gracious and nice. their problem not mine!!

personally, if i was a public person, i would hope to conduct myself in at least a quarter of the way that Rafa does. he is actually humble and kind and gracious. and i don't think it's fake or manufactured. based off candid, individual, random reports, i think it's who he really is.
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Re: Rivalry with Nadal has forged stronger friendship, says Federer

I get it, Nadal is genuine, Federer is fake and you're completely unbiased
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Hi, The Madician. Now, u didn't refer to me by name, but i'm assuming u r referring to me from the tone of ur post so i'll answer to it/u as follows:

1. Nadal is a top athlete, playing a very demanding sport in a very physical manner at a very consistent level. If u think his injuries are "phantom" then u r an even bigger moron than I thought. Also that boy has NEVER used injuries or illnesses as an excuse for ANY of his losses. That is a "phantom" perception attributed to him. Brought on by idiot posters like u on this forum in response to honest and factual analyses of some of his losses by a few of his fans on here.

2. Federer, with the use of the word "sometimes", managed to grudgingly admit that he MAY have been beaten by the better player on the day in SOME of his losses. Thereby implying that he was the better player in his other losses and he therefore lost due to other factors...you know . This just came off as condescending and arrogant. U don't have to see this as i'm not trying to persuade u. I know u have already drank the federer kool-aid. too late to save u now.

3. Under NO CIRCUMSTANCES should u EVER refer to me as a Fedal fan. this suggests that I am a federer fan which I certainly AM NOT. For the sake of his tennis I hoped I could be because he is a great player but his personality is such a big turn off that I can do nothing but dislike that guy. Plus i find his style of play and demeanour on court quite boring regardless of his great shotmaking. Just my preference.

Where u r confused is that I can actually dislike a player and still be respectful towards him and credit him with his accomplishments fairly. Foreign concept, i know but try it .

4. I am a Rafael Nadal fan through and through. I have been this way since that 2008 Wimbledon final and I will remain so forever. Regretfully late to the Rafa party i know but better late than never. I am NO gloryhunter. I have been his fan through great victories and horrible defeats and I have no intention of jumping ship when things go bad. EVER.

Rafa is a true champion and a spectacular human being. i don't have to give him someone else's humility and grace to justify my fandom (where exactly did i do this ). he has these qualities in spades; all on his own which is remarkable in someone so young. He is an inspiration to all . Your guy could learn a thing or two from him . Maybe some of it will rub off since they have been hanging out a bit more lately !!

Your play .
Actually I was referring to Arkulari as the Fedal gloryhunter but this response is far more hilarious than anything she would have typed

Funny you have such perception abilities but cannot seem to understand that Nadull doesn't mention his post-loss injuries and illnesses off hand but specifically to relieve the pressure off of himself and excuse the loss in his mind. Out of everyone on the ATP tour, Nadull is probably the least subtle and intelligent, his "mind games" like never being the favorite for anything and lavishly praising Fed after beating him don't take a psychic like you to figure out

Also you sound like you're a hair's breadth away from stalking Nadull and taking pictures of him in the shower Maybe U should find a nice boyfriend at home rather than pining for some tennis clown on TV
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But that's perfectly true! Sometimes a player does lose because he played badly. I don't see how you could really argue otherwise.

Federer's point is that he can't always be expected to have a higher level than his opponent and just because his opponent won doesn't mean there was anything in particular wrong with his game - as often defeat comes because his opponent simply executed better on the day. There can only be one winner after, all.
i don't think you read or understood my post.

please read it again and try to see exacly what part of federer's statement i was referring to and what i said about it.

i was not saying that players don't sometimes lose because they played badly. usually that is the case for whatever reason.

i was addressing the "sometimes" part of his sentence. where he grudgingly admitted that "some" of his losses were because his opponent played better than him. as if to suggest that this is not always the case and there are other reasons or excuses for his "other" losses. that is what i addressed because it is condescending. with one word he has taken credit away from "some" of the players who have managed to beat him because as the "sometimes" suggest, it wasn't because they played better than him on that day.
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Re: Rivalry with Nadal has forged stronger friendship, says Federer

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i dont know. why don't we wait to find out.

what about you? how do you think you'd do?

thankfully you and i are not placed in such an unenviable position where we are constantly being judged by the whole world in every single gesture, word, action or deed. as you say what conclusions would the world arrive at with regards to us?

unfortunately, every public persona has to endure this situation. it's the price of fame or notoriety; the trade -off that each of them knows comes with the territory.

some of them say and do the right things and fare well with everyone. some...not so much.

federer is not a bad guy or a terrible person but he DOES say some things that are objectionable and despicable. where i have a problem with him is that he is very clever in disguising it and therefore manages to suck some people in into thinking he is being charming and gracious and nice. their problem not mine!!

personally, if i was a public person, i would hope to conduct myself in at least a quarter of the way that Rafa does. he is actually humble and kind and gracious. and i don't think it's fake or manufactured. based off candid, individual, random reports, i think it's who he really is.
Funny, I would think that you are the one who is deliberately obfuscating and misinterpreting what Fed says... and attributing all sorts of rubbish undertones, but that's your problem, not mine



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It's bad for the game that the 2 top players are such great friends. Similar to Djokovic and Murray as well. A true competitor can respect his rivals....but they should have a deep fire that fuels them to destroy their rival at the same time, too intense for true friendship and buddying around off court.

Look at Sampras/Agassi for instance. Even in a charity event years after their retirement, they cannot stand to be around each other for very long without the fire becoming ignited again. Those guys were true competitors.
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I am not buying it Feddy. Being civil off court does not equal strong friendship.

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