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Who's Better - Tsonga or Ferrer?

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#89 ·
How is Ferrer winning this poll?
 
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#92 ·
Ferrer is more consistent. His results and level of play have been pretty consistent throughout his career, while Tsonga is a bit of a wildcard. Vs the top guys, Tsonga is definitely a bigger threat with his serve and powerful forehand. Federer, Djokovic, and Nadal would rather face Ferrer than Tsonga, but Tsonga's problem is he slips up vs lesser players too often while Ferrer usually takes care of the players he is favored to beat. Answer: Ferrer
 
#115 · (Edited)
Nothing has changed since 2012, Tsonga is still better because of his career achievements.

We all now Ferrer is useless against Federer, but against Nadal and Nole there is no big difference between Ferrer and Tsonga.
And Ferrer actually does a lot better against Murray and Del Potro.
Are you kidding me ? Nadal had a streak of 10 wins in a row or so against Ferrer and he can't beat Tsonga (since 2008) at Slams/WTF. The same can't be said of Ferrer, in fact he humiliated him in 2012 and 2013 at RG, not to mention another win this year at the very same event.

As for Djokovic, it's even more wrong, which is quite incredible. Apart from RG 2014, any Tsonga-Djokovic Slam match has been much closer than any Djokovic-Ferrer Slam match. In fact, unlike Ferrer, Jo managed to beat Djokovic at a GS.

How many slams did Tsonga win again? Tsonga is 16-42 against the big 4, big whoop. Ferrer has one win more against them, actually :worship:
Tsonga has a better winning % against the Big 4, and if you remove Murray from the discussion the gap is even bigger.

Not sure why you think no one would pick Ferrer. Tsonga, like most french players has demonstrated mental weakness and his decision making would leave anyone with a headache. He's more powerful than Ferrer, sure, but his backhand leaves a lot to be desired and would also be frustrating to deal with if I had to live your scenario. Many can argue Ferrer has maximized his abilities on the court, while Tsonga has underachieved since his peak is so high. Who would feel more fulfilled when they retire in that scenario? So, Tsonga has more flashy/memorable wins than Ferrer and you believe his game is more enjoyable, thus making him a better player with a better career. I disagree.
Tsonga is easily mentally stronger and better in clutch moments than Ferrer, his main problem has always been injuries.





Surely beating Djokovic, Nadal and Roddick at the 2007 WTF and Djokovic and Murray at the 2011 WTF live up to Tsonga's Masters runs.

But if you want to keep up your arrogance of calling fifty MTFers unknowledgable, be my guest.
Djokovic was exhausted both times (only time he ever lost to Gasquet was at WTF 2007, not mention losing to Tipsarevic 4 years later) and Murray was injured at WTF 2011, so your point is invalid.

On the other hand, Tsonga's Masters runs are far better, because he went on to win the title.
 
#94 ·
I wish all those voting for Ferrer and blabbing about consistency were transported into a parallel universe where they actually have to choose to be one of the two and live with it. They'd suddenly lose interes in "consistency" over better peak achievements. No one, and I mean no one, would prefer to be a consistent slam semifinalist over winning just one slam in their entire career, and the same applies to any other shape or form of consistent, but lower level. If you're into a competitive sport, you want as great achievments as possible and to be as comeptitive against the top of the crop as possible. Jo wins this hands down.
 
#97 ·
How many slams did Tsonga win again? Tsonga is 16-42 against the big 4, big whoop. Ferrer has one win more against them, actually :worship:
 
#102 ·
Even if for some reason you choose to ignore that Tsonga is simply much better at tennis, he still has better achievements anyway: both have a Slam and WTF final, Tsonga has an extra Masters title.

When you look at these achievements into context, it paints an even bleaker picture for Ferrer - who only won anything above 500 due to ATP ridiculously scheduling Bercy the week before WTF for two years, that was the only way he was ever going to get anywhere near a mandatory title. Tsonga on the other hand had two fantastic runs to the title, beating 4 top 10 players on the trot in one of them. Let's not even compare their run to their lone Slam final. Even if for some reason you refuse to acknowledge Tsonga is the superior tennis player, he still has better achievements anyway.
 
#108 ·
Hey Lenders, why don't we play a game? We both place calendars of years after 2008, close our eyes, and point to a random day in that year. And then we do that for 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012... and onwards. On that day, that's when Tsonga plays unbelievably well. Otherwise? Some flashes here and there, but face it: Tsonga never had the potential to threaten greatness.

He was a flash in the pan, through and through. Why do you talk about who is overrated by the forums? That's clearly Tsonga. Because his game is flashy and big (when on), he seems like a chill person, and there are absolutely no subtleties to his game. Ferrer on the other hand is widely viewed not as a slam contender, but as a great player who doesn't think he belongs at the top.

From the locker rooms, players know Jo as a bad loser. Now why is that? It's because of his inflated ego, fueled by his eons of fans who tell him the same thing. They tell him that he is too great not to win a major. Tsonga is a ponzi scheme. Every player and every fan gives him a slice of the pie, and for what? Tsonga was always hot, cold, hot, cold, hot, and motherfucking cold. Tsonga has huge weaknesses in his backhand, and ROS. His defensive skills aren't very good either. When he's hot, those weaknesses are temporarily hidden. When cold, it looks like Tsonga never tried to begin with. That's why everyone is still in denial about what happened in RG in 2013. David crushed him thoroughly, exploiting those weaknesses and drawing error after error, while hitting many winners himself. David humiliated Tsonga thoroughly, and fairly.

Now am I saying that David is greater than Tsonga? No - the stats indicate otherwise. What I do say is that while Tsonga gets hot, he only ever had the potential to win one slam. Forget multi-slams. He is overrated because of his offensive weapons and personality. Another overrated player is Berdych - once again the fans are blinded by offensive weapons. Berdych doesn't have enough weapons to win slams, because he can't change direction on the ball when pulled wide, he's too slow, defense sucks, etc.

As for the answer to the topic, it depends what you mean by "better". At their peaks, David would easily have positive H2Hs against Tsonga in 3/4 slams. Tsonga is more accomplished than Ferrer. Both are great players and both never had the potential to be all-time greats.
 
#109 ·
All this just to admit Tsonga is better? I agree Tsonga was likely never to win more than 1 Slam, same for Berdych and most likely Wawrinka and Cilic too, because these players can only match the elite when they're at their best and some circumstances favor them, which is unlikely to happen more than once.

The problem is Ferrer doesn't even have the potential to win one Slam, so while neither had the potential to be all-time greats, Tsonga is still the better of the two. At his best, he can beat the very best even on their favorite surfaces/tournaments, something that simply can't be said about Ferrer.

Ferrer is more consistent, in his prime you more or less know who he will beat and who he will lose 80% of the time. Tsonga can hit lower lows, but much higher highs, a bit like say Nalbandian. Peak vs peak, he beats Ferrer 10 times out of 10 on any surface. Shouldn't you like Tsonga anyway? He gave Nadal possibly the biggest beating he ever got, enjoy it and get back to me when Ferrer can play at anything resembling that level:

 
#111 · (Edited)
Ferrer = better career

Ferrer = better player

well done Tsonga, you beat Federer at Wimbledon, what did you then do? lose

well done Tsonga, you beat Nadal at the AUssie Open, what did you then do? lose

I can't understand how this is more impressive than Ferrer's achievements in slams, exactly the same thing happened, he also routined Nadal at the AO you know :wavey:

Seem to recall a certain French Open semi final too in 2013, what happened? Utter destruction.

So no, Tsonga isn't better than Ferrer :shrug:

:secret: to be consistent is a talent too, requires mental ability which Tsonga lacks, tennis is about hitting a ball, but the processes involved are much deeper than just what goes on on the court.
 
#113 ·
:secret: to be consistent is a talent too, requires mental ability which Tsonga lacks, tennis is about hitting a ball, but the processes involved are much deeper than just what goes on on the court.
:secret: It's much easier to be consistent if you're not taking risks to begin with. Well, at least Ferrer doesn't have much to work with to begin with. Murray OTOH ...
 
#121 ·
And Ferrer ended up three times in the YE top 5, in contrast to Tsonga's zero :eek:
 
#133 ·
Obviously Tsonga is the more talented player, so obvious it's not even close.

Just as obvious as like Ferrer is the better player overall, because with so less skills, he was able to do everything he did.

Yeah yeah Tsonga have more Masters etc etc but with his talent you expect him to be a multiple time Slam champion, not a walk in the park for the Big 4.
 
#138 ·
I don't understand why people are focusing on quantity. I mean, it also favors Tsonga, but quality is way more important.

Slam final beating Nadal, Bercy title beating Djokovic and Nalbandian indoors, Canada title beating 4 top 10 players in a row including Djokovic and Federer in the final, 2 other titles beating Djokovic on the way (once in the final) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Slam final beating Robredo and Tsonga on his worst surface before getting rinsed by Nadal, fluke Masters just because it was scheduled the week before WTF, Llodra and Janowicz as SF and F opponents, no titles beating the big 3.

It's that simple.
 
#141 ·
Statistically, Ferrer is better than Tsonga in almost everything apart from MS titles yet Tsonga is the far better player according to Jo tards and Ferrer haters. :lol: If that was a Slam title or a Slam F I would understand but just one more MS title is not enough to argue he is clearly better.

Even in H2H, Ferrer leads. He schooled him twice in his home country (one of them indoors). Quite embarrassing for this far "superior" player.
 
#143 ·
Statistically, Ferrer is better than Tsonga in almost everything apart from MS titles yet Tsonga is the far better player according to Jo tards and Ferrer haters. :lol: If that was a Slam title or a Slam F I would understand but just one more MS title is not enough to argue he is clearly better.

Even in H2H, Ferrer leads. He schooled him twice in his home country (one of them indoors). Quite embarrassing for this far "superior" player.
Wins over Big 3 ?
Winning percentage over Big 3 (or Big 4) ?
Slam winning percentage ?
Overall winning percentage ?
Top 10 YE since 2008 ?

H2H isn't very important, as I said that doesn't make Berdych a better player than Murray for example.
 
#173 ·
One of the most bizarre things about this thread is that there's a Berdych vs Ferrer thread started at about the same time, same OP, and Berdych is dominating the poll easily: http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=202099

What's the damn difference between Tsonga and Berdych exactly? Both are way better tennis players than Ferrer.
 
#175 · (Edited)
You can also notice there are 2 Tsonga vs Berdych threads, with Jo dominating both polls.

MTF logic :
Ferrer > Tsonga
Tsonga > Berdych
Berdych > Ferrer

:spit:


There's an explaination though. Back in May 2012, Berdych was in great form, Ferrer in a decent one and Jo in a bad one. On MTF, some people can't remember further back the last tournament, so I guess that's the reason. :shrug:
 
#178 ·
Tsonga's additional Masters Title and the higher W-L-percentage give him a slight edge.

I'm a hater not a fan of either player so that makes me objective and a two-hundred-sixty-five-stage thinker.
 
#180 ·
W-L record overall :
Tsonga - 0.687
Ferrer - 0.672

W-L record at Slams :
Tsonga - 0.750
Ferrer - 0.716

W-L record at Masters :
Tsonga - 0.630
Ferrer - 0.620

Don't talk me about Nadal having a better W-L record than Federer, because it's not like Ferrer has 3 extra Slams and 6 extra WTF over Tsonga. :shrug:
 
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