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Re: Chances of winning in matches between Federer-Nadal-Djokovic in all Grand Slams

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Do people really think Federer will defeat Djokovic that easy at Wimbledon??

Federer couldn't reach the Semis in the last two years, and Djokovic is the defending champion. Just sayin'.
I was wondering about this too ... regardless of the fact that Fed is a multiple W champ, I don't think he would win easily ... I'd say it's 50/50 ... Djokovic CAN play on grass just fine, and he proved it last year by winning Wimbledon. Yes, Roger is awesome on grass, but he is not in his prime any more ... not sure why so many guys forget about that ... too many people live in the past

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Re: Chances of winning in matches between Federer-Nadal-Djokovic in all Grand Slams

I'd like to update some choices from what I saw in the last months.

Federer - Nadal
W: 60-40

Nadal - Djokovic
RG: 80-20
W: 55-45

Federer - Djokovic
RG: 48-52
W: 80-20


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I'd like to update some choices from what I saw in the last months.

Federer - Nadal
W: 60-40

Nadal - Djokovic
RG: 80-20
W: 55-45

Federer - Djokovic
RG: 48-52
W: 80-20


classic, first you tell me I'm living in denial for giving Nadal 80-20 at RG against Djokovic, and now you're copying my Nadal-Djokovic percentages. Oh well, better late than never, you'll soon copy my Fedal and Fedole ones as well

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Re: Chances of winning in matches between Federer-Nadal-Djokovic in all Grand Slams

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I'd like to update some choices from what I saw in the last months.

Federer - Nadal
W: 60-40

Nadal - Djokovic
RG: 80-20
W: 55-45

Federer - Djokovic
RG: 48-52
W: 80-20

you really think Fed can beat Novak that easy on grass?Are you an idiot good sir?

Congrats to Roger Federer on his 17th record breaking GS title and becoming the best player that ever played on grass and breaking number 1 record.You deserve it Roger
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Re: Chances of winning in matches between Federer-Nadal-Djokovic in all Grand Slams

Things chance. I'm sure you can't find a decent Nadal fan who would say he has 80% against Djokovic anywhere before the MC and Rome matches.

As for you living in denial, let's review:


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Murray - Djokovic
WB: 60-40

Murray-Nadal:
WI: 10-90

Murray-Federer:
AO: 60-40
WI: 50-50
USO: 50-50
First, Murray doesn't have a chance of more than 30% against Fed in any slam. Same goes for Murray against Nadal/Djokovic.

Second, you give Murray a 10% chance against Nadal on Grass, and 60 against Novak?


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Things chance. I'm sure you can't find a decent Nadal fan who would say he has 80% against Djokovic anywhere before the MC and Rome matches.

As for you living in denial, let's review:




First, Murray doesn't have a chance of more than 30% against Fed in any slam. Same goes for Murray against Nadal/Djokovic.

Second, you give Murray a 10% chance against Nadal on Grass, and 60 against Novak?
Of course you can. Nadal wad playing some of his worst tennis in '11, when you made this thread is was obvious he had improved and Djokovic had slipped. It was massively close on Nole's best surface, Rafa was always going to be dominant on clay. You need to learn to see things in perspective and see what has changed.

Nadal is the worst match up for Murray, he thumps him on grass. We've seen this match up too many times on grass to know what's going to happen, Murray can't deal with the Nadal forehand.

The Novak-Andy match up is one we've never seen on grass, so it's a bit of an unknown, but I think the surface would favour Murray, and Andy can almost always make it tough for Nole. 60-40 seems fair to me.

And your percentages involving Federer are just, He's not 25 anymore, he can be exposed in a best of 5 by people like Murray with good fitness. A lot has happened since the AO 2010, it's a lot closer now, this match up will never happen unless Murray drops out of the top 4 however

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Of course you can. Nadal wad playing some of his worst tennis in '11, when you made this thread is was obvious he had improved and Djokovic had slipped. It was massively close on Nole's best surface, Rafa was always going to be dominant on clay. You need to learn to see things in perspective and see what has changed.

Nadal is the worst match up for Murray, he thumps him on grass. We've seen this match up too many times on grass to know what's going to happen, Murray can't deal with the Nadal forehand.

The Novak-Andy match up is one we've never seen on grass, so it's a bit of an unknown, but I think the surface would favour Murray, and Andy can almost always make it tough for Nole. 60-40 seems fair to me.

And your percentages involving Federer are just, He's not 25 anymore, he can be exposed in a best of 5 by people like Murray with good fitness. A lot has happened since the AO 2010, it's a lot closer now, this match up will never happen unless Murray drops out of the top 4 however
and yet he made more finals then ever...amazing this Nadal

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Re: Chances of winning in matches between Federer-Nadal-Djokovic in all Grand Slams

Why are most Nadal fans so biased? Is it the massive chip on their shoulder at the fact that their player plays ugly 1d tennis?

Anyways I am a Fed fan, that being said

Nadal v Federer

AO ~ 62-38
RG ~ 85-15
W ~ 40-60
USO ~ 40-60

Nadal v Djokovic

AO ~ 40-60
RG ~ 60-40
W ~ 45-55
USO ~ 35-65

Federer v Djokovic

AO ~ 45-55
RG ~ 50-50
W ~ 60-40
USO ~ 50-50

Notice how my picks aren't ridiculous?
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Re: Chances of winning in matches between Federer-Nadal-Djokovic in all Grand Slams

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Why are most Nadal fans so biased? Is it the massive chip on their shoulder at the fact that their player plays ugly 1d tennis?

Anyways I am a Fed fan, that being said

Nadal v Federer

AO ~ 62-38
RG ~ 85-15
W ~ 40-60
USO ~ 40-60

Nadal v Djokovic

AO ~ 40-60
RG ~ 60-40
W ~ 45-55
USO ~ 35-65

Federer v Djokovic

AO ~ 45-55
RG ~ 50-50
W ~ 60-40
USO ~ 50-50

Notice how my picks aren't ridiculous?
They are though. Federer isn't the favorite against Nadal in any Slam. The Slam H2H is 8-2 Nadal if I'm not mistaken (with the most recent Federer victory coming in 2007) and at this point in their careers Nadal is simply the better player too, with better overall results in all Grand Slams in the past 2/3 years.

Any Federer vs Nadal Slam match at this point, Federer is clearly the underdog.
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They are though. Federer isn't the favorite against Nadal in any Slam. The Slam H2H is 8-2 Nadal if I'm not mistaken (with the most recent Federer victory coming in 2007) and at this point in their careers Nadal is simply the better player too, with better overall results in all Grand Slams in the past 2/3 years.

Any Federer vs Nadal Slam match at this point, Federer is clearly the underdog.
Fed barely lost in 08 at Wimby coming off mono and with Nadal playing the best tennis of his career up to that point. Feds serve is too effective on grass and as shown by the last 2 years, has only lost to big servers/forehands. At the US it's hard to say, I went with Fed at 60 cuz his tennis is better on that surface, just depends if his mind is up to it.
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Re: Chances of winning in matches between Federer-Nadal-Djokovic in all Grand Slams

Nadal v Federer

AO ~ 75-25
RG ~ 99-1
W ~ 70-30
USO ~ 65-35

Nadal v Djokovic

AO ~ 40-60
RG ~ 75-25
W ~ 75-25
USO ~ 35-65

Federer v Djokovic

AO ~ 30-70
RG ~ 40-60
W ~ 60-40
USO ~ 50-50

I think I've been to kind on fed tbh

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Re: Chances of winning in matches between Federer-Nadal-Djokovic in all Grand Slams

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Fed barely lost in 08 at Wimby coming off mono and with Nadal playing the best tennis of his career up to that point. Feds serve is too effective on grass and as shown by the last 2 years, has only lost to big servers/forehands. At the US it's hard to say, I went with Fed at 60 cuz his tennis is better on that surface, just depends if his mind is up to it.
Nadal's service is perhaps even more effective on grass. He has been broken a grand total of 5 times in his last 20 sets played vs Federer and Murray (10 sets vs Federer, 10 vs Murray) on the surface, two guys that are regarded among the best returners on grass. Nadal's immense ability to hold serve on grass coupled with Federer not being as good on the surface as he once was make Nadal the overwhelming favorite should they face.

And the hig serve and forehand combo clearly fits Nadal on grass. Only a few players have a more effective serve and serve + forehand combo on grass than he does.
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Re: Chances of winning in matches between Federer-Nadal-Djokovic in all Grand Slams

Nadal v Federer

AO ~ 70-30
RG ~ 99.999-0.001
W ~ 60-40
USO ~ 60-40

Nadal v Djokovic

AO ~ 30-70
RG ~ 60-40
W ~ 50-50
USO ~ 20-80

Federer v Djokovic

AO ~ 30-70
RG ~ 50-50
W ~ 60-40
USO ~ 50-50
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This is a pretty meaningless thread. The percentages people give are for averages but these guys do not meet often enough for the average to hold. So it's all in the day form and current form of the players. Surface also matters but it's a pretty useless exercise to try to pin down their chances.


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