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No, they weren't. Djokovic had already a Slam, in Australia in 2008, as well as the World Tour Finals (the fifth most important tournament), not to mention he always had more weapons than Murray. They were not equal at all.
I am talking level of play, not on their acheivments. Ever since they were juniors they were always neck and neck, but it was Djokovic who managed to breakaway.
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But surely you would rather have Puerta, Tsonga or Philippoussis (Nadal, Djokovic and Federer's 1st slam opponents) than Federer or Djokovic?
So, what does that prove?

Puerta made life quite difficult for Nadal in the final, there's no reason to believe Murray would have beaten him in that Roland Garros final.

Philipoussis on fast grass isn't an easy opponent either, that serve alone makes him tough to beat.

And Tsonga? Do you happen to remember who Jo beat in the first round of that Australian Open 2008 before facing Djokovic in the final?

And anyway, the problem isn't that he lost to Federer and Djokovic. People wouldn't be slating him so much if he had at least shown some resistance in his finals, the problem is that he couldn't even put up a fight.

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Each of those players mentioned earned their place in the final by winning six best of five matches in a row. They probaly knocked out some high seeded players on their way. They were healthy and played their best tennis before the final. Why would they suddenly be easy opponents in the final?
Sure they played well to get there, but experiene is one of the most important factors in a Grand Slam final and you can ask anyone on the tour and I'm sure they'd rather play an unseeded player in the final than Djokovic or Federer.
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I honestly don't see why he's getting slated. Him and Djokovic were equal until Djokovic decided he wanted the glory for himself (2011).

As someone said before, Djoko already had a slam and a WTF.

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But surely you would rather have Puerta, Tsonga or Philippoussis (Nadal, Djokovic and Federer's 1st slam opponents) than Federer or Djokovic?
Before Tsonga, Djoko faced Federer in the USO 2007 final, he lost but he played a great match, having set points in the first two sets (better than any of Murray's finals).

Not to mention he beat Federer in the Semis to win AO 2008.
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So, what does that proof?

Puerta made life quite difficult for Nadal in the final, there's no reason to believe Murray would have beaten him in that Roland Garros final.

Philipoussis on fast grass isn't an easy opponent either, that serve alone makes him tough to beat.

And Tsonga? Do you happen to remember who Jo beat in the first round of that Australian Open 2008 before facing Djokovic in the final?

And anyway, the problem isn't that he lost to Federer and Djokovic. People wouldn't be slating him so much if he had at least shown some resistance in his finals, the problem is that he couldn't even put up a fight.
True. In all the finals, Murray hasn't been able to show that he's out there fighting for the win. It wouldn't be different if he faced someone like Puerta or Ferrer in the final. Having said this, I'd like to see him do well some day.

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Nice attitude, but he could start with, I don't know, winning a Slam perhaps.

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He's only saying this to prevent Simon Reed from making the same prediction. Smart move.
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This is fantastic news. It means Andy is ready to finally win a couple of slams this year

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Dunno why I'm bothering with this, but Fed's first 4 slam finalists were Scud (who was always great at Wimbledon), Safin, Roddick (was number 1 a few months earlier) and Hewitt. Very good players.

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Murray has jinxed himself.

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Dunno why I'm bothering with this, but Fed's first 4 slam finalists were Scud (who was always great at Wimbledon), Safin, Roddick (was number 1 a few months earlier) and Hewitt. Very good players.
Fed did have some piss poor draws overall but people need to understand that his level at that time would win against anyone...so draws dont matter to him much

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He would need to win 2 slams this year. The French is his worst slam so that would leave winning Wimbledon and the USO back to back. Problem is not even Federer won his first 2 slams back to back.
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Very good attitude, only with this attitude he is able to finally finish the year as No. 3 in the world.

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Re: Murray : "I can still become the best in the world this year"

He won't end the year as #1 unless he starts owning Djokovic, but he can definitely end the year #2. Definitely.

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Murray can finish the year as #2 if and only if old weeper break the leg on golf, and tram hit Rafa in Barcelona as Gaudi

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