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Best return of all time: why does Djokovic dislike playing big servers?

I seem to recall him having difficulty with Roddick as well as Isner's recent upset.

For someone with the best return of serve of all time, I would not expect him to struggle.

Perhaps Djokovic returning Nadal's WTA serve made people think his return is better than it is?

Or is he just a big 2nd serve returner like Agassi?
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Re: Best return of all time: why does Djokovic dislike playing big servers?

Because he's an aggressive returner and not a moonballer.
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Re: Best return of all time: why does Djokovic dislike playing big servers?

I don't think he is necessarily bad at returning big servers, but it seems that he just gets really frustrated against big servers being unable to put a return in play or having no play on a serve at all which ends up putting a little pressure on himself. Federer does a bit better blocking huge servers and he doesn't seem to get too down on himself when facing a big server which I think is really key.

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Re: Best return of all time: why does Djokovic dislike playing big servers?

Djokovic likes to hit the return of serve and Roddick/Isner are just about fast enough to rush him.

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Re: Best return of all time: why does Djokovic dislike playing big servers?

Since when was Djokovic the best returner of all time?
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Re: Best return of all time: why does Djokovic dislike playing big servers?

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I seem to recall him having difficulty with Roddick as well as Isner's recent upset.

For someone with the best return of serve of all time, I would not expect him to struggle.

Perhaps Djokovic returning Nadal's WTA serve made people think his return is better than it is?

Or is he just a big 2nd serve returner like Agassi?
He does not have the best return. Murray does. But Murray has no brain for tennis. He chokes on his own serve

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Re: Best return of all time: why does Djokovic dislike playing big servers?

Djoker is one of the most aggressive returners when taking a full swing. That doesn't make him the best returner. Roger has way more versatility as does Murray.
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Re: Best return of all time: why does Djokovic dislike playing big servers?

Murray is a better returner, especially of big serves. Djokovic is consistently aggressive off the return, which isn't always the best play against big servers. Djokovic is better at incorporating the return into an aggressive point while Murray sometimes hits a great return but doesn't take advantage, and allows the point to go back to neutral.

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Djokovic the best returner ever, that's a huge exaggeration.


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Re: Best return of all time: why does Djokovic dislike playing big servers?

I don't think Djokovic's return has ever been that amazing. Its pretty great obviously, but he's not the best of all time.

His problem against big servers is his mentality, he lets himself become frustrated.

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Re: Best return of all time: why does Djokovic dislike playing big servers?

Novak has a sweet spot for servers.. He's great with guys who hit from 115-135, and his short compact bh can really put a tremendous amount of those balls back into play at a high consistency right in the servers feet. Higher than that, and he has to lunge for them, which is typically why 1handed backhands often do better against the 1st serve (see eg Henman).

So even though he's probably the best overall returner (up there with Murray imo), he's not the best on tour against the huge servers. I'd say Murray, Ferrer, Federer once upon a time, and a few others can deal with them better.
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I don't think he is necessarily bad at returning big servers, but it seems that he just gets really frustrated against big servers being unable to put a return in play or having no play on a serve at all which ends up putting a little pressure on himself. Federer does a bit better blocking huge servers and he doesn't seem to get too down on himself when facing a big server which I think is really key.
Excellent oppinion...I watch Nole since 2004...You are spot on...Only point of view You didnt mention is: He has serious mental issues-he is such perfectionist that something like big serve from other side puts very negative picture of himself in his own eyes, that frustration grows and grows with every lost point.That is my oppinion-and, as a big admirer of his achievments,that is one thing I could not understand all these years...
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Re: Best return of all time: why does Djokovic dislike playing big servers?

Like servers, returners have different styles and sometimes there are poor match-ups. Agassi was widely acclaimed as perhaps the best returner of the game, but he was not that great against some big servers, particularly Pete. Tim Henman, OTOH, was great against huge servers, but struggled against steady kick servers. etc.

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Re: Best return of all time: why does Djokovic dislike playing big servers?

Have anyone of you fanboys ever seen Agassi return of serve?
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Re: Best return of all time: why does Djokovic dislike playing big servers?

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I seem to recall him having difficulty with Roddick as well as Isner's recent upset.

For someone with the best return of serve of all time, I would not expect him to struggle.

Perhaps Djokovic returning Nadal's WTA serve made people think his return is better than it is?

Or is he just a big 2nd serve returner like Agassi?
Because Isner hit around 70% first serves in against Djokovic. In the first set Isner had an extreme percentage of 76%. It is even for a great returner difficult to return Isners's first serve. If Djokovic plays Isner more often I think he would get a better reading of the serve. But he hadn't play Isner since 2010.
Isner is a difficult player for everyone to play against. Especially if he plays over 70% 1st serves in. He also beat Federer a couple of weeks ago and did well agaisnt Nadal at the French Open 2011.
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