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Rank one handed backhands in terms of topspin potential?

I think Federer hits way more topspin on the backhand than people think. Look at this;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWoKA21Bm4k

...almost a reverse-follow through backhand.

This is probably the one true advantage of a one-handed backhand - ability to generate more topspin because of the longer and free-er stroke. 2-handers almost all hit it flat.

Anyway, in terms of the other pro's Wawrinka always looks to me like he hits it flat, and Kohlschreiber, despite having an extreme grip, rarely follows through with the forearm supinating, therefore he hits quite flat too, yet is stable on high balls.

Almagro and Gasquet's look loopier in general. Federer surprisingly seems to hit as much topspin as them, despite having a much more conservative grip.

Not sure about Kuerten. Does anyone have links to HQ footage of him? He is very interesting as he's said to be the only player to use a full semi-western backhand grip (most extreme backhand grip). Most players with extreme 1hbh grips use an in-between of an eastern and semi-western grip - therefore Kuerten's backhand may well have had the most spin of them all.
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Re: Rank one handed backhands in terms of topspin potential?

Almagro hits with more topspin than Federer on bh side.

Corretja and Gaudio, two fine single handed backhands.

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Re: Rank one handed backhands in terms of topspin potential?

1 handed backhands typically generate more power than a 2handed bh as they are able to achieve higher racquet head speed from a kinetic chain point of view. So this applies both to topspin, as well as flat power (depending on how you hit it, and with what grip). The reason you don't see this happen in practise as much, is b/c in order to hit that type of 1hander, it requires a longer preperation than a 2hander and typically you don't have that type of time in a game situation and sometimes this can lead to weak scrunched shots. Although the Wawrinkas and Gasquets of the world often will sit back 5 feet behind the baseline in order to crank out those huge shots.

The great versatility with a 2hander, is they are able to control the racquet better, and are thus able to generate decent power and angles with a very compact swing, typically taking it earlier than a 1hander. So its often the case that in practise, you see a 2hander with higher average speeds, simply b/c they are able to hit more shots correctly.
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Re: Rank one handed backhands in terms of topspin potential?

I always thought one-handers could generate more spin than two-handed backhands. I mean take a look at some of Kuerten's backhands. They used to jump off the court like Nadal's forehand.

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Re: Rank one handed backhands in terms of topspin potential?

Kuerten vs. Safin from RG and HKz is right. Bruguera was a 2H with a very heavy backhand.

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On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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Re: Rank one handed backhands in terms of topspin potential?

It would be interesting to hear who you think hit the most topspin off of the backhand out of Gasquet, Almagro and Kuerten?

Is there any RPM data for topspin backhands?

There only seems to be one study: Nadal's forehand.
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Re: Rank one handed backhands in terms of topspin potential?

All three of those guys probably hit the most spinny 1handers on tour. If I had to guess, i'd probably say Gasquet's generates the most racket head speed and translates into the most rpm.

Even though its not been that long, Kuerten played in an era where the string tech wasnt quite what it is today, and so I don't think he could put on as much as the other two.
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Re: Rank one handed backhands in terms of topspin potential?

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on a serious note, kuerten, wawrinka, lendl
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Re: Rank one handed backhands in terms of topspin potential?

Wawrinka hits his BH with as much or more topspin as anyone. Can hit it flat as well but really whips the racket across the ball (supinates... ) for spin.
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Re: Rank one handed backhands in terms of topspin potential?

Wawrinka's backhand seemed a flatter shot to me.

He has a conservative grip, yet compensates for this with brute force against high balls.

Dimitrov also has a very conservative grip (continental!), but seems to somehow generate quite a loopy backhand.

In this battle of the backhands, who is hitting more spin off that wing?

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Re: Rank one handed backhands in terms of topspin potential?

I've seen Dudi, Wawrinka, Kohlschreiber, Kuerten, Haas live and none of them even come close to Richard Gasquet's backhand when it comes to top spin generation and explosiveness.

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Tsonga has the most vicious topspin on his one-handed backhand but it's so vicious it goes into the net !

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Federer's buggy-whip backhand

Has anyone noticed that when Federer really goes for the supination on the backhand, he can hit it with as much topspin (or more) as a modern forehand;

(5.31 here);

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...BFyDnSo#t=330s

(1.17 here);

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...qLnu0Aq8#t=73s

(whole video);

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWoKA21Bm4k

It would be cool if he hit like that more often, especially in backhand-to-backhand rallies, where he'll usually have the clear advantage in topspin production capabilities over the vast majority of right-handed 2hbh players to open up more angles cross-court. Apparently, this was the key tactic he used to beat Murray in the 2010 AO final.

Are there videos of anyone else doing stuff like that off the backhand wing (either one-handed or two-handed)?

Is it possible to do this sort of thing with a two-hander? If so, who does it, and are there videos?
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Re: Federer's buggy-whip backhand

Federer has always been able to create a lot of spin with his backhand. The problem is that his drive backhand is weaker, which enables many opponents to neutralize rallies when they hit a ball to his backhand.

Also, because he hits with so much spin (and wrist) he shanks balls when his timing is off.

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