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Re: Novak Djokovic: "I think the courts are a little bit slower"

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“You need to play lots of matches and you play against best players in the world. The conditions here are suitable to my style of the game. I think the courts are a little bit slower, which I like and prefer better, so I'm looking forward to this week.”

We haven't had any coverage yet, but it looks like the courts will be EVEN slower this year

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Re: Novak Djokovic: "I think the courts are a little bit slower"

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Glacial pace= Wimbledon 92 compared to IW 2012

As for the quote, Nole might be comparing IW to Dubai, but if he did, he probably would say that IW is much slower, not "a little bit slower". And, if IW is only "a little bit slower" than Dubai, that means that IW has been sped up?

Therefore I think he is referring to IW 2012 vs. IW 2011 or earlier.
Nole only said "a little bit slower" in order to mitigate the disastrous effects such a statement will have on the fast court proponents. Does not want to be the sole cause in inducing mass hysteria.

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Re: Novak Djokovic: "I think the courts are a little bit slower"

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There's nothing in between all serve matches, and 6 hour grind fests? What's wrong with a medium speed court?
well if every court is going to be medium slow thats bad too. having equally distributed court speeds across masters event sounds good to me. slams is I think find as it is now, you have slow hard, clay, grass and fast US open. slowing down wimbledon and usopen (which I still havent read a scientific analysis for), if it did happen, I dont think is really wrong, cause the rackets today would produce even bigger serve fest than in the past. we'd be watching isner karlovic finals.

so basically mixing it up on the masters level is what I think is needed.

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Re: Novak Djokovic: "I think the courts are a little bit slower"

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meh, Djokovic would do just fine on any kind of courts. I'm kinda tired of all of this 'court talk'.
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it is usually those with the CSB ----Cant Stop Bitching--- syndrome who cry the loudest about the court speeds here.

nothing is ever right for them. if their player loses 1 single match then they say it had to be due to the lack of court speed.

its all about the gift from the gods and then what you do with it. it is about the talent and the drive more than anything.
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Re: Novak Djokovic: "I think the courts are a little bit slower"

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most novak and rafa fans dont want faster surfaces (me excluded), guessing its similar with fans of clay court players, and "casual fans" who purely watch the sport on telly, ask them and they for sure wouldnt like all serve matches, thats boring and the reason why they slowed the courts in the first place. beside tennis appears to be at an all time high viewers-wise.

again, thats not to say the complaint in itself isnt right, it is, but whats popping up on forums such as MTF is in large measure an exaggeration coming from, lets call em, non rafa-djoko fans. I mean there is a tardish element in it, thats my impression.
Well, as someone who started watching in tennis properly at the beginning of the 00s and who never knew the all-serve fests, I find the current courts disgraceful. As for viewers being at an all-time peak, the cause is not natural.

A lot of marketing money has been put into making tennis an attractive package. I'd argue that tennis (if it indeed is enjoying this all-time highs you claim it is as I know USO 2010 had lower viewing figures than USO 2009) has been changed to suit the networks (and time wasting prevents that) so that is one reason why viewing figures are high. Viewing figures cannot always measure the interest in the sport or at least are not easily comparable between eras as the ATP has changed.

And tbh, I'm sure Djoko would do fine on any court but I'd like to see him play on Dubai-like courts as opposed to the IW ones.

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Re: Novak Djokovic: "I think the courts are a little bit slower"

I'm not sure he's referring to IW speed in comparison to last year, but rather the courts of Dubai. It feels like he's saying 'The conditions here are more suitable to my style of game (unlike Dubai); the courts here are a little bit slower, you see.'
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Re: Novak Djokovic: "I think the courts are a little bit slower"

If we continue like this RG will be the fastest tourny
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Re: Novak Djokovic: "I think the courts are a little bit slower"

Anyone that thinks faster courts mean all-serve matches and finalists, who got to the semis of Dubai?
Two aggressive baseliners, and two (let's say) counterpunchers.
The final was mostly medium length baseline exchanges between Fed and Muzz.
There were 4 aces from Fed, 7 from Muzz in the entire match.
Fed won 75% and Muzz won 65% of points behind the 1st serve, and take 10% off those for the 2nd serve stats.

Dubai is not the fastest court in the world, but it's a nice, medium fast speed that allows for attacking play (including S&V) as well as a certain amount of defending /retrieving.

The stats surely indicate that it was not a servefest, despite the serve being important. Certainly, it wasn't an acefest.
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Re: Novak Djokovic: "I think the courts are a little bit slower"

2 things:

One, I think that hard courts have been slowed down somewhat.

Two, this comment seems like it was made in passing. Making every afterthought a player has a headline gets to be a little too much after awhile.

I wonder if an official conspiracy theory can actually be correct and still be considered a conspiracy theory. Because this whole "slow court" thing has all the fanaticism of a conspiracy theory.

Everyone knows!! Hard courts are getting slower.

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Re: Novak Djokovic: "I think the courts are a little bit slower"

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It doesn't matter because Nole will dish out another win against Rafa anyway, regardless .
I don't get the Nadal fans who all think that the best way to be a fan is too practically give up on Nadal or jinx him into victory? I am a fan of his and after that extremely close Australian Open if anything it shows he will win against Djokovic again and that he is still working very hard at his game.

as for the court speeds, this is not particularly surprising and it certainly does make you feel bad for the more attacking players such as Berdych/Tsonga/etc. the influence of top players on the ATP these days is getting very strong and I suppose it doesn't hurt revenue if matches are not over very quickly

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Re: Novak Djokovic: "I think the courts are a little bit slower"

You know the court is too fast If you can hit a winner on it.
Good decision from the organizers, I want to see some unprecedented moonballing and grinding.
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Re: Novak Djokovic: "I think the courts are a little bit slower"

I think he is a great bit right.

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The methods and drugs used by Armstrong in 1999 would work in tennis right now, with zero chance of being caught (not slightly surprising to anyone familiar with the topic, btw).
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Re: Novak Djokovic: "I think the courts are a little bit slower"

Pls move this thread to > "I'm embacil and I'd love to hold federina nuts (if she had ones)" he he
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Re: Novak Djokovic: "I think the courts are a little bit slower"

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I don't get the Nadal fans who all think that the best way to be a fan is too practically give up on Nadal or jinx him into victory? I am a fan of his and after that extremely close Australian Open if anything it shows he will win against Djokovic again and that he is still working very hard at his game.

as for the court speeds, this is not particularly surprising and it certainly does make you feel bad for the more attacking players such as Berdych/Tsonga/etc. the influence of top players on the ATP these days is getting very strong and I suppose it doesn't hurt revenue if matches are not over very quickly
again, kudos to Nadal for his effort. I really enjoyed the match. If they speed up the courts, Djokovic would probably adapt (he is good at that) and benefit at the end. As much as I think that Berdych and Tsonga are great players they would gain nothing... the top guys are just too good.
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Re: Novak Djokovic: "I think the courts are a little bit slower"

Every tournament seems to get slower and slower with every year from players tells... what's going on
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