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Re: Federer: I can't believe the umpires don't punish Rafa for his time wasting

Hey, look! Another "Fed said" thread that completely misquotes him in the thread title. NID.

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I dont think its misquoted but it is the truth for sure
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Federer says it as it is. He called those wusses called umpires out. And named Rafa as one of those top players who engages in massive gamesmanship.
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Re: Federer: I can't believe the umpires don't punish Rafa for his time wasting

Didn't bother to read the whole thread, I bet it's NadalTards & DjokoTards saying shit about Fed, and FedTards and neutrals saying that Fed is right.

I just wanna say to all saying that Nadal and Djokovic deserve more time because their game is tiring, no one is bigger than the sport. The rules are there. You might not agree with it, but as long as it is there, you follow it. Breaking the rules is cheating. No matter how minor, a rule is a rule.

And, I read somewhere that Monfils is one of the fastest in between points. CMIIW. But, Monfils's game is surely as demanding , if not more, as Nadal's or Djokovic's game.
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Re: Federer: I can't believe the umpires don't punish Rafa for his time wasting

So Fed can play 4 hours match by the rules, but Nadal can't . Sparta would be ashamed

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Fed is right. Rules are rules. Well done Fed
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Re: Federer: I can't believe the umpires don't punish Rafa for his time wasting

I couldn't believe when I watched this video .

[youtube]azrFG8AbDAw[/youtube]

After a not-that-tough point in the first set, Rafa takes 51 seconds, forreal .

Off-court I really like Rafa. On court? Can't stand him! I don't really like Roger either, but he's definitely got reason to say this.

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Re: Federer: I can't believe the umpires don't punish Rafa for his time wasting

Federer is absolutely correct here. Rules are rules. Selective enforcing of the rules is impossible. It is inherently unfair. The only fair thing is to have a set of rules and apply them the same to everyone. If Nadal takes 40 seconds to recover and Djokovic take 20 seconds, is it fair to both players to wait 40 seconds? No. If two players are both exhausted after a long point, make them play when the time expires, the fitter player will win the next point. If the points are too long, make the courts quicker. As long as the rule is in place, it should be enforced. Otherwise what's the point. It's ridiculous to say the rules must be enforced with discretion, disagree totally with Nadal on this one.
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Holy crap! One entire minute. That's ridiculous.

Well it's good that Federer finally spoke up about it. Somebody has to, right? I'm pretty open about when I think he has foot in mouth disease and this is not one of those times. Absolutely correct, absolutely warranted criticism. If Nadal is going to bitch and moan about what Federer says during closed-door ATP player's meetings, Federer has a right to call Nadal on his blatant violation of the rules.

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it's a double edged sword. Rafa and Nole do play grueling points so extra time may be needed in their matches, but he doesn't need 30 seconds in other rounds. So you have to enforce it by perception and the matchup.
Exactly what Novak said about it.
I remember one match between Nole and Rafa (in 2010, I think), were both received time penalties towards the end of an exhausting match.
Both players had been taking too long from the start but the umpires waited until crucial points in the latter stages of the match to give out time warnings (wait until one player gets a breakpoint against him and give a time warning just when he's ready for that crucial point).

Afterwards, Novak said for him, Rafa taking more time out is not a problem just because he takes too much time off too. Between them, it isn't a problem at all and so, umpires need to take this into consideration too (feeling the rhythm of the match and the players)

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there is no reason to only call out Nadal, as someone mentioned, in the Australian Open final DJokovic took just as long or longer in between points.
I think it's telling that he specifically mentions Nadal.

If he's making a general remark about the time rule, singling out one name makes it about that one player instead of focusing on the time rule itself (as you can see in here....most posters in here don't give a shit about the time rule but they're just jumping on another occassion to whine)

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in a german article about this interview (http://www.tennisnet.com/deutschland...rafung/3838444) roger said it's normal that he also break this rule, but no one reminded the players. so fed doesn't complain especially about nadal.
quoted to emphasize the bit in bolt.

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Jesus dude. There is definitely someone psychotic in this thread, but unfortunately that person is you.

Ironically enough, you have a signature talking about love and God, and then turn around and bash members of Nadal's entourage that (some of whom you've never even heard speak) on a personal basis. I have severe doubts if you are truly a Brit, but if you are then you should strongly consider coming stateside and joining the "religious right." They, like you, love to talk about how loving and Christian they are, when in reality they are all basically as hateful, ignorant, and judgmental as you are.
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He's right, but it's not just Nadal. With that said, the time rule should either be enforced or deleted from the rule books. I don't blame Rafa, Djokovic and others for taking 30, 35 seconds if they need 30, 35 seconds between a point after a grueling baseline exchange. The rule itself should probably just be done away with so this debate can be done away with.
I agree. Although in my view it's such a pointless rule that I don't understand why people make such a fuss about it. I actually think it's good that this rule is not enforced, but then there should be no such rule to begin with. Why not just give players the time they need?
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Re: Federer: I can't believe the umpires don't punish Rafa for his time wasting

well, yeah rules are rules, but these 'tennis superstars' can get away with it. I still think we put too much into this. The ATP can do something about it but they don't.

I just have this feeling that Nole and Rafa simply don't even think about it. they just do their sh!t.

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Exactly what Novak said about it.
I remember one match between Nole and Rafa (in 2010, I think), were both received time penalties towards the end of a exhausing match.
Both players had been taking too long from the start but the umpires waited until crucial points in the latter stages of the match to give out time warnings.

Afterwards, Novak said for him, Rafa taking more time out is not a problem just because he takes too much time off too. Between them, it isn't a problem at all and so, umpires need to take this into consideration too (feeling the rhythm of the match and the players)


I think it's telling that he specifically mentions Nadal.

If he's making a general remark about the time rule, singling out one name makes it about that one player instead of focusing on the time rule itself (as you can see in here....most posters in here don't give a shit about the time rule but they're just jumping on another occassion to whine)


quoted to emphasize the bit in bolt.
If you read the bit in the article I believe that it was in response to a question that was asked about Djokovic so he's talking about both of them. Why he brings up Nadal is because Nadal gets away with something that lesser players don't; there's a bias in the way the umpires treat him. They would have no qualms about giving a point penalty against a Berlocq or Stebe but if it's Nadal, all of a sudden there's an extra thirty second time allotment and a reticence to enforce the rules.

I think Novak doesn't have a problem with the time rule because he uses its violation to great effect against Nadal. What Nadal does to other players by breaking their rhythm, he does to Nadal as well and so now Rafa is on the receiving end of it. In a way it's almost a way of telling Nadal that if he's going to muck around and bend the rules, Djoker will do the exact same thing to him.

At the end of the day, if this complaint came out of Nalbandian or Hewitt or Harrison's mouth, it would be treated as a valid point. But of course, haters are haters.

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Re: Federer: I can't believe the umpires don't punish Rafa for his time wasting

Both Roger and Rafa do have good points. Yes, the rule should be more strict sometimes and players like Rafa and Nole should be given warnings and maybe even penalized sometimes...BUT...Rafa is right, umpires cannot be looking at their stopwatch after every single point, because there will be circumstances under which the rule can - and perhaps should - be broken. Like Rafa said, you cannot expect players to be ready for the next point in 25 seconds after they played grueling 40 shot rally in the 5th set after 5 hours of play. Maybe the rule needs to be changed...give players more time between points if the match goes to a 5th set? Tennis surfaces have been slowed down to a snail-like levels, which means the players will get more tired as the match progresses (way more than in previous eras where this rule was more appropriate), they will need more time between points longer the match goes. In any case, until the rule is changed for the better, umpires should adapt to particular match conditions and make the call based on their own judgement. And while we're at it, get rid of the let call! That rule makes no sense to me.

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