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Nole failed to serve out at *5-1 in the AO '11 second set v Murray. Incredibly important one there.

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2010 AO Final: Murray also had a match point against Federer at *6-5 in the tie-break.

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In theory, Nadal being a left-hander, he should have a better ratio breakpoints saved/service points won than Djokovic, because breakpoints are often played on ad-side (many people say that it's the main advantage of left-handers).

Actually it's the opposite : on average between 2007 and 2011, Djokovic saved 0.1% more breakpoints than he won points on his serve, Nadal lost 1.4% more (Murray 2.6, Federer 3.3) (on average players save 2% less breakpoints than they win points on serve, because when they face breakpoints usually they're in a bad momentum).

On hardcourts, Djokovic saved 0.2% more, Nadal lost 2% more.

Moreover, Nadal is much more serve-oriented than Murray (Murray's serve is overrated : low first serve percent, erratic, weak second serve), and also more than Djokovic if you consider points won on serve comparing to points won on return, it has been especially the case in recent years.

With players like Djokovic and Murray who are so return-oriented, it's normal to expect some situations like this.
At this point, Nadal is no longer that good mentally. I think Federer and Murray are below average for top 20



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At this point, Nadal is no longer that good mentally. I think Federer and Murray are below average for top 20
Federer and Murray below average for top 20 mentality that is certainly not the case. they can close out practically any match unless it's against Nadal and Djokovic so what you're saying is completely absurd.

Nadal is still good mentally just not against Djokovic. but this is an anamoly because no one appears to be good mentally against Djokovic, and what that points to is that no player has been playing well enough to beat the Djoker at Grand Slams in recent times. says nothing about Nadal's mentality. he wins the big matches he should EXCEPT for with Novak.

i would say all top 4 have fantastic mentality except for Murray at times (which appears to be changing and getting better) and that it is not surprising that they have some lapses against one another when all are capable of incredibly high tennis level

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At this point, Nadal is no longer that good mentally.
the same could be said about Federer before meeting Nadal

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