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Who runs more?

Between Rafa and Djokovic.
Many people seem to think that Djokovic is the offensive player and that Rafa is the one who does all the running, but the statistics (at least some of them) seem to suggest otherwise.

This is from the Wimbledon final, somewhere in the middle of the match. I don't have one for the entire match.



And this one from the AO is more impressive, because Rafa actually spent more time on court during the entire tournament (not taking the final into account)



I've looked at the duration of their matches and it's

Nadal - 993 minutes - 13.83 miles
Djokovic - 898 minutes - 15.79 miles

Does anyone have statistics from other tournaments/matches?
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Re: Who runs more?

Well maybe that's why Djokovic is winning more, he's better at defense than Nadal and he is outlasting him on the baseline. With these slow courts, the more defensive player wins.

To be fair, the AO stat is skewed. Nadal played Berdych and Federer who are offensive players whereas Djokovic played Murray, Ferrer and Hewitt.

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Well maybe that's why Djokovic is winning more, he's better at defense than Nadal and he is outlasting him on the baseline. With these slow courts, the more defensive player wins.

To be fair, the AO stat is skewed. Nadal played Berdych and Federer who are offensive players whereas Djokovic played Murray, Ferrer and Hewitt.
Just like Roger's slam count is skewed because he won them in a weak era where there was no one to challenge him except a very young Nadal on clay.
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Well maybe that's why Djokovic is winning more, he's better at defense than Nadal and he is outlasting him on the baseline. With these slow courts, the more defensive player wins.
He does outlast him from the baseline.

My point is that those who like to portray Rafa as a physical freak, who runs more than everyone else and who never gets tired are wrong. There are players who run just as much or even more than him and he does get tired (quite often lately) even though his body language might not show it.

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Re: Who runs more?

It doesn't really matter who runs more. The reason that Djokovic is the best player in the world is that he has a very good balance when it comes to defense/offense. Nadal is more defensive. Nadal simply tries to tire his opponents to win a point. It just the way he is. It still works... but not against Djokovic.
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Just like Roger's slam count is skewed because he won them in a weak era where there was no one to challenge him except a very young Nadal on clay.
agree with you 100%. now watch Fed fans jump all over your post, lol....
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Re: Who runs more?

It would be interesting to see these stats on a Rafole match before the special diet.

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Murray, Ferrer and Hewitt.
Djokovic runs more than he used to, but this.



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Just like Roger's slam count is skewed because he won them in a weak era where there was no one to challenge him except a very young Nadal on clay.
I find this interesting. What does Federer slam count relate to "Who runs more?" I can smell jelly organisms all over the place.
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agree with you 100%. now watch Fed fans jump all over your post, lol....
He had to face the best claycourter ever (or 2nd best) if not he would have won Roland Garros four times (or even five maybe) and would now have 20+ slams.
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He had to face the best claycourter ever (or 2nd best) if not he would have won Roland Garros four times (or even five maybe) and would now have 20+ slams.
So if he were lucky enough to have played in a weak era, he'd have gotten 20 slams?

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Just like Roger's slam count is skewed because he won them in a weak era where there was no one to challenge him except a very young Nadal on clay.
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Add an 'i' between the u and the n in "runs", and add 'the game' between "runs" and "more", and you have a more relevant thread title.

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Re: Who runs more?

You can't just look at one or 2 events, you have to look at a lot of matches to come to a meaningful conclusion. If you look at matches throughout their career I think you will find that Nadal runs more and hits less winners. Who in their right mind would say Nadal is an attacking player . The Djoker is not as attacking as he used to be but he is more attacking than Nadal. Even Murray is more attacking than Nadal.
Nadal does have a good offensive shot but he does not take the initiative most of the time.
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