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post #136 of 261 (permalink) Old 05-17-2012, 01:18 AM
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I think it's very bad because the best is diversity.
In the abscence of this style other new styles have evolved.

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Serve and Volley on consistent basis has no place in the modern game. It should be used a surprise way to catch your opponent off guard to win points, not mindlessly rush the net even after second serves. I am glad S&V is dead so real tennis fans can enjoy real tennis.
Ah Son, let me get you up to speed. When a server approaches the net to volley, and is passed, he will learn to volley less. A player who places a serve nicely and follows up with a magical and finessed volley is employing a carefully choreographed cluster f$c#! of offensive prowess. I remember when the game was SOOO much more complex when players used to serve and volley (mindless servebots and baseline clowns needed not apply). The good 'ole days they were. Every time Mcenroe rushed to the net there was anticipation about what would happen. It's like the "smell the glove" scene from spinal tap: "here's my great serve, and now watch me bitchslap you with my volley!" A great returner, endowed with sublime groundstrokes would say: "oh no you didn't just approach the net again! eat this beyotch!" And so this game of foreplay would be played.

Real men serve and volley, just ask Navratilova!

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serve and volley is exciting and I miss it because it actually took some guts to risk it and run into the net...

players these days are too fearful too attempt and in turn a myth has risen on tour that serve and volleying is not very possible with the level of competetance that players exhibit from the baseline / the slowness o the surfaces....

it adds an exciting dynamic to the game, hopefully it returns, hopefully players get more guts because it is a technique that can pay dividends even in today's game if anyone would really try it out. it's a shame the only people who will try it are giants these days who can't hold their ground from the baseline.

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I don't like Serve&Volley because I thought the points were too short. However, I would like to see more people take more risks and come up to the net more frequently (just not after serves), kind of like Tsonga and Fed's all court style. Long baseline rallies are boring. However all-court rallies that are long are more exciting.

These players I can name use S&V regularily: Llodra, Kubot, Karlovic. That is all.
On occasion Tsonga, Lopez, Fed, Benneteau serve and volley.
Nole and Rafa do it once a match for surprise.

BTW, has anyone else noticed Ferrer's added more and more volley to his game recently? Bringing back the old generation, maybe...
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I don't like Serve&Volley because I thought the points were too short. However, I would like to see more people take more risks and come up to the net more frequently (just not after serves), kind of like Tsonga and Fed's all court style. Long baseline rallies are boring. However all-court rallies that are long are more exciting.

These players I can name use S&V regularily: Llodra, Kubot, Karlovic. That is all.
On occasion Tsonga, Lopez, Fed, Benneteau serve and volley.
Nole and Rafa do it once a match for surprise.

BTW, has anyone else noticed Ferrer's added more and more volley to his game recently? Bringing back the old generation, maybe...
Ferrer is doing a great job of declining gracefully. He is slowing for sure, but he has slowly gotten more aggressive and for now, he's got offense and defense at the correct balance to remain a top player while no longer having the speed that got him to #4

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Ah Son, let me get you up to speed. When a server approaches the net to volley, and is passed, he will learn to volley less. A player who places a serve nicely and follows up with a magical and finessed volley is employing a carefully choreographed cluster f$c#! of offensive prowess. I remember when the game was SOOO much more complex when players used to serve and volley (mindless servebots and baseline clowns needed not apply). The good 'ole days they were. Every time Mcenroe rushed to the net there was anticipation about what would happen. It's like the "smell the glove" scene from spinal tap: "here's my great serve, and now watch me bitchslap you with my volley!" A great returner, endowed with sublime groundstrokes would say: "oh no you didn't just approach the net again! eat this beyotch!" And so this game of foreplay would be played.

Real men serve and volley, just ask Navratilova!
I don't like S&V because players who utilized such style were one dimensional.

McEnroe tried to S&V on clay, instead of actually developing a proper forehand and learning how to rally. That's why Lendl beat him in RG final. S&V gets exposed in rallies.

Your last point is funny. Navratilova who rushed the net at every opportunity was bested by Steffi... an all around player who could change her tactics at will instead of suicide runs to the net even if it wasn't working.
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Your last point is funny. Navratilova who rushed the net at every opportunity was bested by Steffi... an all around player who could change her tactics at will instead of suicide runs to the net even if it wasn't working.
Never intended to switch to WTA but let me take a stab at it.

How come you didn't mention how Martina tormented Chris Everet for a full decade with S&V?

After the budding superstar and nubile steffi came on the scene and exposed the aging navratilova's game (she was getting as slow as molasses), Monica seles restored the natural order and reminded us about classic tennis (she matured and blossomed into a true all around player, steffi never was). She schooled steffi with a lethal serve and volley match at the 1999 AO. Serve and volleyer defeats baseliner. There are many examples such as this. Mac had borg's number. Sampras was magical etc.

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^^^ Troll of the highest order.

Seles was a mindless ballbasher with poor serve. Remind me again what her H2H with Steffi was.

Remind me again what the Wimbleon 1992 final score line was.

Not bad a for a baseliner, eh? Lol
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^^^ Troll of the highest order.

Seles was a mindless ballbasher with poor serve. Remind me again what her H2H with Steffi was.

Remind me again what the Wimbleon 1992 final score line was.

Not bad a for a baseliner, eh? Lol
Why am I trolling? I simply explained how monica adapted her game to defeat a more physically gifted and athletic player.

Also Mac and Sampras did well did they not? You're a little young to even remember those matches so maybe you're trolling? I saw all those matches LIVE son. How many youtube clips have you seen?

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Why am I trolling? I simply explained how monica adapted her game to defeat a more physically gifted and athletic player.

Also Mac and Sampras did well did they not? You're a little young to even remember those matches so maybe you're trolling? I saw all those matches LIVE son. How many youtube clips have you seen?
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who says its dead?

any fool can rush to the net as many times as he wishes.

go right ahead and charge that net at will.

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who says its dead?

any fool can rush to the net as many times as he wishes.

go right ahead and charge that net at will.
Yes but while it was once the most common tennis tactic it's now rare to see anyone use it. It's so that rare when I see Tsonga run to the net after a successful first serve I almost think "wtf!".

The most common tactic today has to be defensive back line ball bashing. Which is better to watch? Depends on which players were talking about. In any case a good compromise is what I'd want. Someone who can ball bash just as well as Nadal and Djoko and also uses diversity with S&V will be the most entertaining IMHO.
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Always a good day when T-Doc gets owned.
I don't see how I got owned considering Steffi has 6RG titles over Seles' 3... She adapted much better and was master of all surfaces. Seles couldn't even win one wimby. Lol.

Clownpras and MugEnroe are in the same boat: tried to win RG with S&V. Completely one dimensional.
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I don't see how I got owned considering Steffi has 6RG titles over Seles' 3... She adapted much better and was master of all surfaces. Seles couldn't even win one wimby. Lol.

Clownpras and MugEnroe are in the same boat: tried to win RG with S&V. Completely one dimensional.
I'd like to know how many YouTube clips you've seen.

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