Article on what has happned to each slam over the years.. - MensTennisForums.com
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #1 of 37 (permalink) Old 02-20-2012, 02:37 AM Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Age: 26
Posts: 1,197
                     
Article on what has happned to each slam over the years..

Here is the link http://www.fawcette.net/2012/02/hard...-so-much-.html

Shows you percentage of winners over the last few years at the different slams and talks about what they have actually done to make tennis the same everywhere. Kinda sad and pathetic that this has changed in tennis so much. No variety in the game and the same old baseline tennis always everywhere.

great read. Oh and the people that hate on federer the article makes a great point why there will never be a player like him again with the variety and style he displays.
FedvsNole is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 37 (permalink) Old 02-20-2012, 02:58 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 123
                     
Re: Article on what has happned to each slam over the years..

great article. thanks for post. Now, the question...why (with the exception of WImbledon, which was explained) were these changes implemented? So someone other than Fed would win?
rogeragassi is offline  
post #3 of 37 (permalink) Old 02-20-2012, 03:26 AM
Registered User
 
bouncer7's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 1,258
                     
Re: Article on what has happned to each slam over the years..

Winners mean nothing, just stats.

1 winner over Djokovic or Nadal = 10 winners over Roddick or Blake

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cloren View Post
Fraud's luck is absolutely disgusting.

FEDAL RIVALRY = >>>CLICK<<<
bouncer7 is offline  
post #4 of 37 (permalink) Old 02-20-2012, 04:53 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 874
                     
Re: Article on what has happned to each slam over the years..

Quote:
Originally Posted by rogeragassi View Post
great article. thanks for post. Now, the question...why (with the exception of WImbledon, which was explained) were these changes implemented? So someone other than Fed would win?
Homogenizing the surfaces means that the same players are likely to show up each and every time. Tournament directors and television programmers are all over that kind of thing because they can command better ratings for Federer-Nadal X in the second week compared to, say, Berdych-Del Potro (see AO 2012). I mean, why even bother getting Olivia Newton John to sing and bringing out the fireworks for Australia Day unless it's Roger and Rafa, right?

To be honest, I find Wimbledon's slowing of surfaces atrocious. Lleyton Hewitt getting dumped out in the first round of Wimbledon by Dr. Ivo when he was defending champ was probably one of the reasons why they slowed it down but I also think the tournament directors were so eager for the second coming of Borg and McEnroe they decided to push for a super slow surface in '08 so they could get their dream final, sell it to the public and make millions out of a "rivalry" that never would have existed if they'd kept the grass the original speed. Safin making the SFs that year revealed what a joke the grass surface was and he was so surprised that he'd even made it there.

I guess baseline wars of attrition are more popular with the viewing public unlike the 90s which was full of big serving.

Trolling is defined by Herring as baiting and luring others into pointless and time-consuming discussions.

4 criteria of trolls:

1. Appearance of outward sincerity.
2. Posts designed to incite anger or "flames"
3. Posts designed to waste everybody's time with useless argument
4. Desperate desire for attention, any attention at all

Recognize them, don't engage and put 'em on your ignore list where they belong. Feed a troll and you're just encouraging their attention-seeking.
LisaKoh is offline  
post #5 of 37 (permalink) Old 02-20-2012, 05:43 AM
.
 
rocketassist's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 28,702
                     
Re: Article on what has happned to each slam over the years..

Great and factual article, but one thing he's missed out is that the US Open was finally slowed down in 2011 to bring it into line with the other snail paced 'fast court' slams.

Love how unforced errors absolutely dwarf winners in those slam finals. The game has 'evolved' though, best tennis ever yap yap yap yap

unbiased analyst extraordinaire
rocketassist is offline  
post #6 of 37 (permalink) Old 02-20-2012, 06:00 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Age: 36
Posts: 1,233
                     
Re: Article on what has happned to each slam over the years..

lacking in logic and not really worht responding to
munZe konZa is offline  
post #7 of 37 (permalink) Old 02-20-2012, 06:02 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Age: 36
Posts: 1,233
                     
Re: Article on what has happned to each slam over the years..

Quote:
Originally Posted by rocketassist View Post
Great and factual article, but one thing he's missed out is that the US Open was finally slowed down in 2011 to bring it into line with the other snail paced 'fast court' slams.

Love how unforced errors absolutely dwarf winners in those slam finals. The game has 'evolved' though, best tennis ever yap yap yap yap
In case you didn't notice, players play defense nowadays and "winners" category is often hard to determine.
munZe konZa is offline  
post #8 of 37 (permalink) Old 02-20-2012, 06:06 AM
Registered User
 
leng jai's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Oxford (at heart)
Age: 28
Posts: 23,664
                     
Re: Article on what has happned to each slam over the years..

Quote:
Originally Posted by munZe konZa View Post
In case you didn't notice, players play defense nowadays and "winners" category is often hard to determine.
Yeah defense was only a concept introduced into tennis in the last 6 years...

Ajde.

WARNING: This signature may contain extreme traces of bullying and glory hunting
TOMMY HASS
0 slams () and 0 finals
0 consecutive weeks at world no. 1
0 consecutive Laureus World Sports Awards
0 times qualified for YEC
3-13 H2H against Rogi Featherer
0-5 H2H against Rafito Nadal
Career low ranking: 1,241 (26.06.1995)
0 fake mullets flaunted in Roland Garros finals.
0 double bagels consumed against Raonic on grass
1 first name in common with Tommy Robredo
leng jai is offline  
post #9 of 37 (permalink) Old 02-20-2012, 06:14 AM
Forum Umpire:
Gaston Gaudio
 
Action Jackson's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Posts: 124,503
                     
Re: Article on what has happned to each slam over the years..

There was actual variation in the 90s in how to approach the game on the different surfaces.

Federer:

Anyway, every surface is very similar today, otherwise we couldn't have achieved all these things on all these different surfaces so quickly, like him (Rafa) and myself.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

Quote:
Originally Posted by Filo V. View Post
I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
Action Jackson is offline  
post #10 of 37 (permalink) Old 02-20-2012, 06:32 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Age: 36
Posts: 1,233
                     
Re: Article on what has happned to each slam over the years..

Quote:
Originally Posted by Action Jackson View Post
There was actual variation in the 90s in how to approach the game on the different surfaces.
Federer:

Anyway, every surface is very similar today, otherwise we couldn't have achieved all these things on all these different surfaces so quickly, like him (Rafa) and myself.

And the variation was serving or pushing that promoted extremely one dimensional players that didn't show up for half the season?
munZe konZa is offline  
post #11 of 37 (permalink) Old 02-20-2012, 06:36 AM
Registered User
 
allpro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 3,211
                     
Re: Article on what has happned to each slam over the years..

surface speed is a red herring for the most part. it’s the strings which have radically altered how the game is played. banning luxilon and allowing only natural gut is the real answer for those who bemoan homogeneity. obviously that will never happen.
allpro is offline  
post #12 of 37 (permalink) Old 02-20-2012, 06:38 AM
Registered User
 
allpro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 3,211
                     
Re: Article on what has happned to each slam over the years..

....as sampras said, luxilon is like "cheating".
allpro is offline  
post #13 of 37 (permalink) Old 02-20-2012, 06:40 AM
Forum Umpire:
Gaston Gaudio
 
Action Jackson's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Posts: 124,503
                     
Re: Article on what has happned to each slam over the years..

Quote:
Originally Posted by munZe konZa View Post
lacking in logic and not really worht responding to
Yes, you keep responding to it, please stop embarrassing yourself. It's clearly obvious you don't have a clue about the subject matter at hand. If you did, then you would be able to produce a coherent and counter argument to the points that were raised in the article.

For the above to happen this would require you to have watched tennis for a period of time before Djokovic became a top player, which is something that you didn't know.

It's like this, I don't know what a woman goes through once a month during her cycle or pregnancy, therefore I'm not going comment on it. Same idea applies here to you and this article.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

Quote:
Originally Posted by Filo V. View Post
I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
Action Jackson is offline  
post #14 of 37 (permalink) Old 02-20-2012, 06:42 AM
Forum Umpire:
Gaston Gaudio
 
Action Jackson's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Posts: 124,503
                     
Re: Article on what has happned to each slam over the years..

Quote:
Originally Posted by allpro View Post
surface speed is a red herring for the most part. it’s the strings which have radically altered how the game is played. banning luxilon and allowing only natural gut is the real answer for those who bemoan homogeneity. obviously that will never happen.
It's never one thing, it's a combination of things. Technology advancements, that were unregulated cause the tennis authorities have a vested interest in these technologies and the lack of rallies on the faster surfaces. Of course there are the sports science developments put them all together, this is what you have, athletes that hit tennis balls, not tennis players for the most part. Yes, there is a difference.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

Quote:
Originally Posted by Filo V. View Post
I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
Action Jackson is offline  
post #15 of 37 (permalink) Old 02-20-2012, 06:48 AM
Registered User
 
tektonac's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 5,066
                     
Re: Article on what has happned to each slam over the years..

mods merge this thread with speed up the courts thread. we had one too many.

ASI Director-General Gautam Sengupta said the list of India's treasures held abroad was "too long to handle" and there was a need for a "diplomatic and legal campaign" for their restitution from institutions, including the British Museum, the Royal Collection and the Birmingham Museum and Art Gallery.
tektonac is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the MensTennisForums.com forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome