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Agreed, the blue clay was definitely a diversion from the topic on hand.

Title #74 just got more difficult with the early loss of John Isner.
Isner is one of the few players who can give both Djokovic and Nadal trouble with his big serve and he can deal with the high topspin of Nadal. But Mr. Federer can't depend on Isner to do the work this time, and that will make it more difficult for Federer should he reach the semifinals as expected. Then he would likely have to defeat both Djokovic and Nadal, should they both make it that far, and it would be a difficult task in the conditions here.

Nadal is in the driver's seat now in Miami, if he doesn't waste effort on doubles.
I think Federer would have to beat Djokovic easily to have a chance of beating Nadal the next day, and it's difficult to see that happening. In any case, title #73 was unexpected at the start of IW, so Federer is already ahead of title projections for the year. If title #74 doesn't come at Miami, it might come in Madrid, or in Halle. Nadal would have to exit early at Roland Garros like in 2009 for Federer to have a good chance there.

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Unlike indian wells, they actually give you a day off in miami. Everyone plays their semis on friday with a fed-nole semis being the 7pm match. The final is then sunday at 1pm.
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I thought Fed's gonna win #74 in Miami. Now he's just gonna be in the final?

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#74 is near and far at the same time. stay tuned.

we will explain.

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Federer is getting to the semis at most. He will run into nole and they will play at night in super humid conditions where it is even harder to hit the ball through the court.

Fed has yet to beat nole in this run that started post us open. Let's see how he handles playing him since the us open.

Before people start picking him he needs to show he can beat nole first which he hasn't done since last year's french open.
That's why im making nole the favorite. Even if he somehow manages to get through nole, and nadal is in the final. I can't pick against nadal on a court like this irregardless of what happened in indian wells. If nole loses to del potro and tsonga knocks out nadal federe's chances improve but lets not forget about murray on this slow court.

Semis: Djokovic def federer
Nadal def murray

Finals: Nole def Nadal in straight sets.
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I thought Fed's gonna win #74 in Miami. Now he's just gonna be in the final?
Nadal will be in the final so Fed even if he get's there will lose
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Re: Roger Federer : The Swiss Warrior King's Quest For 100 Titles

Tiger won his #72nd yesterday while Fed sits on #73

who will get to 100 titles first oh great generalito
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Federer is getting to the semis at most. He will run into nole and they will play at night in super humid conditions where it is even harder to hit the ball through the court.

Fed has yet to beat nole in this run that started post us open. Let's see how he handles playing him since the us open.

Before people start picking him he needs to show he can beat nole first which he hasn't done since last year's french open.
That's why im making nole the favorite. Even if he somehow manages to get through nole, and nadal is in the final. I can't pick against nadal on a court like this irregardless of what happened in indian wells. If nole loses to del potro and tsonga knocks out nadal federe's chances improve but lets not forget about murray on this slow court.

Semis: Djokovic def federer
Nadal def murray

Finals: Nole def Nadal in straight sets.
Hmm Mr. FedVsNole, isn't it a bit misleading saying Federer hasn't beaten Nole since the US Open? I could also say Djokovic hasn't beaten Federer since the US Open.

Since the US Open, they've played in 6 of the same tournaments, where Djokovic has won 1 (Australian Open) and Federer has won 5 (Basel, Paris-Bercy, WTF, Dubai, Indian Wells). It's certainly not Federer's fault that Djokovic was unable to go far enough to face him in those tournaments, for whatever reason. Federer did directly beat players that beat Djokovic and did better to get to the final and win those tournaments. Djokovic did better in the Australian Open and beat the player that beat Federer to win that tournament.

I think it's better to judge each tournament on its own merit with the recent past performances, current conditions, form, etc. in mind. How much one weighs each factor is up to the individual. If you feel that Federer doesn't have enough confidence against Djokovic because he hasn't faced him and beaten him since Roland Garros, then of course, you have the right to your opinion, which may or may not be correct.
Each tournament plays differently, so circumstances at a particular tourney can favor one player over another.

Anyway, time will tell. #74 is at stake for now

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Hmm Mr. FedVsNole, isn't it a bit misleading saying Federer hasn't beaten Nole since the US Open? I could also say Djokovic hasn't beaten Federer since the US Open.

Since the US Open, they've played in 6 of the same tournaments, where Djokovic has won 1 (Australian Open) and Federer has won 5 (Basel, Paris-Bercy, WTF, Dubai, Indian Wells). It's certainly not Federer's fault that Djokovic was unable to go far enough to face him in those tournaments, for whatever reason. Federer did directly beat players that beat Djokovic and did better to get to the final and win those tournaments. Djokovic did better in the Australian Open and beat the player that beat Federer to win that tournament.

I think it's better to judge each tournament on its own merit with the recent past performances, current conditions, form, etc. in mind. How much one weighs each factor is up to the individual. If you feel that Federer doesn't have enough confidence against Djokovic because he hasn't faced him and beaten him since Roland Garros, then of course, you have the right to your opinion, which may or may not be correct.
Each tournament plays differently, so circumstances at a particular tourney can favor one player over another.

Anyway, time will tell.

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I am sure Fed would trade places.........
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Tiger won his #72nd yesterday while Fed sits on #73

who will get to 100 titles first oh great generalito


fed of course highlander.

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I am sure Fed would trade places.........

Dunno know. I think fed would rather have the weeks at number 1 record than another australian open because it will enable him more chances at the others slams.

Your comparing 5000 points vs 2000 points. I understand its a slam and thats what the record books remember and all and under normal situations im sure he'd trade it. But long term (meaning through the rest of this year), the 5000 points he's gotten from the 6 titles will likely lead him to the number 2 rank; He'll have a much better chance at the remaining slams with at least the possibility of not having to face both nole and rafa at Roland garros, wimbledon, olympics, and us open. If there drawn even once in any of those tournaments, it's likely fed will have to face nole provided fed himself makes it there which increases immensely if he doesn't have either of them to face off in a semi. Then if fed is in a final of any of those and is facing nole he won't have any mental block or left handed top spin to bother him as much. Likely nole will be a bit tired especially if the us open doesn't change super saturday until 2013 and nole-rafa play in the later match on saturday and kill each other.

I still dont think rafa-nole will get drawn together based on what happend in australia but at least its more of a possiblity than it is now. Oh well. Let nole destroy nadal a few more times and hopefully the "allure" of this matchup will finally die. Thats the only way nadal ends up in nole half.
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I am sure Fed would trade places.........
I hope you are joking Mr Saberq...

If you are not, why in the world would he even think about trading them? The Aussie Open was worth 2000 points to the winner. What's that, a net gain of 1280 points for Federer and his what, 5th AO, and 17th total?

Instead, for those 5 wins, he defended 2 (WTF and Basel) titles worth 2000 points and gained 1480 points in the other 3.

So, I very much doubt Federer would trade those 5 wins for yet another major. But sure, ask him...

Now, the Aussie Open might have been worth more to Djokovic, bringing him to 3 there and a total of 5 majors overall, but again, you'd have to ask him...

Also as it pertains to this topic. 5 titles definitely gets him closer to 100 than 1.

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I hope you are joking Mr Saberq...

If you are not, why in the world would he even think about trading them? The Aussie Open was worth 2000 points to the winner. What's that, a net gain of 1280 points for Federer and his what, 5th AO, and 17th total?

Instead, for those 5 wins, he defended 2 (WTF and Basel) titles worth 2000 points and gained 1480 points in the other 3.
Those points only mean something if they count towards a change in ranking. If Federer doesn't make no.1 on the back of those victories, I'm sure he would have preferred the AO title.
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slams constitute a more difficult proposition.

and hence this suggested route here which is to try to snatch small titles.

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Re: Roger Federer : The Swiss Warrior King's Quest For 100 Titles

2011 US Open Djokovic
2011 Roland Garros Federer
2011 ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Indian Wells Djokovic
2011 Dubai Djokovic
2011 Australian Open Djokovic
2010 Barclays ATP World Tour Finals Federer
2010 Basel Federer
2010 ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Shanghai Federer
2010 US Open Djokovic
2010 ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Canada Federer


Last 10 matches are even with each player winning 5 matches.
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i think fed owes him a little ass kicking after giving him the match at the last u.s. open. so some measure of revenge may be at play.

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