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Re: Rank the following qualities of the top 4 from 1 to 10

Rafa
Forehand - 9
Backhand - 7,5
Serve - 7 (because of the first, 2nd is about a 3)
Physical Strength & Fitness - 10
Mental Strength - 8,5
Tactics - 9

total: 51

Roger
Forehand - 9
Backhand - 7
Serve - 9
Physical Strength & Fitness - 7,5
Mental Strength - 7
Tactics - 7

total: 46,5

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Forehand - 7
Backhand - 8,5
Serve - 7,5
Physical Strength & Fitness - 9
Mental Strength - 7
Tactics - 8

total: 47

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Why don't you post your own scores instead of mocking other people's?
sure if you really want me to.

Djoko
Forehand - 8
Backhand - 9.5
Serve - 8
Physical Strength & Fitness - 10
Mental Strength - 10
Tactics - 9

Rafa
Forehand - 9
Backhand - 6
Serve - 7
Physical Strength & Fitness - 10
Mental Strength - 9.5
Tactics - 7

Roger
Forehand - 9
Backhand - 7
Serve - 9.5
Physical Strength & Fitness - 8
Mental Strength - 7
Tactics - 7

Murray
Forehand - 6
Backhand - 9
Serve - 8
Physical Strength & Fitness - 8.5
Mental Strength - 7
Tactics - 8
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Rafa

Physical Strength & Fitness - 10


Roger

Physical Strength & Fitness - 7,5


I bet everything I have that Fed owns Rafa on pure stamina

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Djoko
Forehand - 8
Backhand - 8
Serve - 7.5
Physical Strength & Fitness - 8
Mental Strength - 9
Tactics - 8.5

Rafa
Forehand - 8.5
Backhand - 6.5
Serve - 6
Physical Strength & Fitness - 9
Mental Strength - 8.5
Tactics - 8

Roger
Forehand - 9
Backhand - 7
Serve - 9
Physical Strength & Fitness - 7
Mental Strength - 6
Tactics - 9.5

Murray
Forehand - 7
Backhand - 8
Serve - 7.5
Physical Strength & Fitness - 7.5
Mental Strength - 5
Tactics - 8
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I bet everything I have that Fed owns Rafa on pure stamina
Is that why he can't handle him in 5 setters, seems strange.

He's a much better tennis player than Rafa, right? So the only reason why he can't win 5 setters would be stamina, would it not?

But if he owns Rafa in that department, maybe he's not so blessed after all.

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Is that why he can't handle him in 5 setters, seems strange.

He's a much better tennis player than Rafa, right? So the only reason why he can't win 5 setters would be stamina, would it not?

But if he owns Rafa in that department, maybe he's not so blessed after all.
tennis is too complex sport for you to understand it, so i won't waste my time by explaining it to you . just pure mtf explanation , according to nadal tards nadal often loosing matches because of tiredness , and something like that you can't hear from fed tards

imagine how would pig look with taking 19 seconds between the points instead of 35

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Anyone who thinks Djokovic's forehand ranks higher than or equal to Nadal's is deluded. Nadal's forehand has been one of THE shots in tennis the last 7 years & it'll be remembered after he's gone. Djokovic's won't. Conversely Djokovic's backhand is way better than Nadal's and will be a shot that's remembered.

Similarly, in terms of fitness and mental strength are we talking right now or as an average? Djokovic has been good over the last 12 months or so but otherwise over his career his fitness doesn't compare to Nadal's at all. His number of retirements speak for themselves... Nadal has way more mileage than Djokovic yet was still fit enough to go toe to toe in the Aus Open final so they're pretty equally matched now (Nadal was not fit enough last year though - that was clear in Miami & the US Open...). For mental strength they're both pretty good though Nadal edges it - frankly the fact that he's lost so many times to Novak yet is still fighting as ever says a lot about his mental strength - Novak's assault came out of nowhere and he's managed to stay a strong no. 2 still - not bad.

MTF seems to think Federer, Nadal & Djokovic should be compared in 2011/12 only ignoring the fact that two of those players were much better a few years ago - compare Fed 06, Nadal 08 & Djokovic 11 (Murray has not peaked yet IMO):

Fed/Nad/Djoko
Forehand: 10/9/7
Backhand: 7/6/9
Serve: 10/6/6.5 (Both Nadal & Djokovic have pretty unimpressive serves - Djoko's isn't miles better than Nadal's IMO - slightly better but not much)
Fitness: 8/11/9 (Nadal 08: fittest player ever)
Mental Strength: 8/11/9 (Nadal 08-early 09: mentally strongest ever- Wimbledon 08 final, Olympics 08 semi, Aus Open 09 final, IW 09 against Nalbandian - 4 MPs saved, Madrid 09 semi vs Djoko)
Tactics: 6/9/9 (All 3 do and did great against the field so you can't say they're bad tactically - Fed I just don't think has had to change much tactically against most players as his level at his peak was too good for most. The other two have shown more willingness to adapt partly because they've had to - so rate higher. Fed was stubborn to make any changes vs Nadal; Nadal on the other hand is and has been making changes vs Djokovic - just because those changes are difficult to put in place doesn't mean your tactics aren't good or you're not a good tactician...)

Fed, Nadal & Djoko all have one incredible wing (FH/FH/BH) but it's interesting that only Fed has the amazing serve given that the serve used to be so important in the game. What Nadal and Djokovic have that isn't listed is movement - they move better than all other players - look at Nadal's footwork - it's on a different planet to fellow top tenners like Berdych, Fish etc. The modern game is about precision and movement. Nadal and Djokovic have great court coverage, insane defence and brilliant footwork - Fed's obviously very very good too but would give Rafole the edge in those categories...
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Nole:
Forehand: 8.5
Backhand: 9
Serve: 8
Physical Strength & Fitness: 9.5
Mental Strength: 10
Tactics: 8

Nadal:
Forehand: 9
Backhand: 7
Serve: 7
Physical Strength & Fitness: 9.5
Mental Strength: 8
Tactics: 9

Roger:
Forehand: 9.5
Backhand: 7.5
Serve: 9
Physical Strength & Fitness: 8
Mental Strength: 6.5
Tactics: 7.5

Murray:
Forehand: 7.5
Backhand: 8.5
Serve: 8
Physical Strength & Fitness: 8
Mental Strength: 7.5
Tactics: 9

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^^^

I assumed we were talking about their scores CURRENTLY. If this topic is for the top 4 in the past 5 years, then my scores for Nadal and Federer would be higher.
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tennis is too complex sport for you to understand it, so i won't waste my time by explaining it to you . just pure mtf explanation , according to nadal tards nadal often loosing matches because of tiredness , and something like that you can't hear from fed tards

imagine how would pig look with taking 19 seconds between the points instead of 35
When they play eachother they both get that time off between points, and yet Nadal always pulls it out in the end. But I'm willing to believe you on this one, the reason Nadal beats him all the time in 5 setters is because he's just a better big match player.

As for your statement that Fedtards don't ever come up with tired excuses, you're right. They always go for the bad back, doesn't care, mono, twins excuses. Much more legitimate obviously.

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When they play eachother they both get that time off between points, and yet Nadal always pulls it out in the end. But I'm willing to believe you on this one, the reason Nadal beats him all the time in 5 setters is because he's just a better big match player.

As for your statement that Fedtards don't ever come up with tired excuses, you're right. They always go for the bad back, doesn't care, mono, twins excuses. Much more legitimate obviously.

you are on wrong trace . we are discussing about fitness and physical strength not about mental mental strength .

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surely the return should have been added, important skill set in their games
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Djokovic
Forehand - 8
Backhand - 10
Serve - 7
Physical Strength & Fitness - 10
Mental Strength - 9
Tactics - 7

Rafa
Forehand - 7
Backhand - lol
Serve - lol
Physical Strength & Fitness - depends on whether you are talking about his skills or skills acquired elsewhere.
Mental Strength - Against Djokovic 3, against others 10
Tactics - lol

Roger
Forehand - 10
Backhand - 8
Serve - 9
Physical Strength & Fitness - 8
Mental Strength - 8
Tactics - 10

Murray
Forehand - 7
Backhand - 9
Serve - 8
Physical Strength & Fitness - 8
Mental Strength - 2
Tactics - 7
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Djokovic, Nadal, Federer, Murray

Federer
Tactics - 9.5
accurate enough, except for that 9.5 for Federer's tactics. He is famous for his stubbornness and reluctance to adapt his game to opponents. That is why for example Nadal hurt him so much, while Novak constantly tried to figure out Rafa, which he eventually did.

Federer is the worst tactician of the four, imo.
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Is this one of those mtfglish word choice situations like underrented?

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