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maybe Fed ordered Krajicek how he wanted the court this year and for it to be green
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To solid from challengerer

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About the surface issue... In my opinion at the times were the surfaces were much diversified tennis was much more entertaining but I understand why it has been changed. I remember around 2000 an increase of interesting in women's tennis, it made inter alia an impact on Eurosport which decided to switch its focus from men's to women's tennis. Average spectators want to witness longer rallies, so officials made all effort to deliver it slowing down the game, in a consequence the game became more one-dimensional in terms of game-styles as well as achievements by particular surfaces. In today's culture (I think tennis is a part of it) everything what has to be sold depends on an average taste

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About the surface issue... In my opinion at the times were the surfaces were much diversified tennis was much more entertaining but I understand why it has been changed. I remember around 2000 an increase of interesting in women's tennis, it made inter alia an impact on Eurosport which decided to switch its focus from men's to women's tennis. Average spectators want to witness longer rallies, so officials made all effort to deliver it slowing down the game, in a consequence the game became more one-dimensional in terms of game-styles as well as achievements by particular surfaces. In today's culture (I think tennis is a part of it) everything what has to be sold depends on an average taste
Yes, it's true. I remember well the years 1998-2000, the buzz about WTA was just immense, pretty much nobody was giving a shit about ATP, other than story of Agassi's resurgence. Which in a way is funny because the widely criticized serve-fest of the '90s was already winding down in those years.

Problem is that they went to other extreme, all the surfaces were homogenized and now it's same kind of tennis played everywhere. Funnily enough, I put tiny blame on Clijsters, she showed you can slide on hardcourts (insanity of insanities) and other ppl copied it, men & women alike.

Another problem is that when ISL collapsed, tournaments became a LOT more cost-conscient, and went to easily maintainable hardcourts everywhere to save money. This killed green clay.

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Roger is definitely carrying a few extra kilos in the gut area.

Should shed that before the real tournaments in the spring.

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You can't only look at errors. It's about service and winners and when the service didn't win the point, it's because each player was aggressive, going for winners almost the whole match. There were a few bad errors, but not many. You can't expect them to rally 20+ shots on an indoor surface like this. It's not real fast, but it's fast and low bouncing enough where players like Mr. Nadal or Mr. Djokovic wouldn't want to be here. Probably a bit faster surface would have produced fewer errors as both players were going for the lines, both wide (mostly Federer) and deep (mostly Nieminen).

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Lol, why do you people keep insisting I complained because of no 20+ rallies, I never said that? After some errors even Fed himself looked pretty annoyed, I don't think he was overly satisfied with the way things were going today. Anyway, all I can say is that if Fed meets Nole this year, I hope he plays as great as he did today, I'll be pretty happy with that

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Only saw the first set; good and aggressive tennis from both players, with Fed upping his game a notch at 5-all. As a Davydenko fan () I don't like this result, but Nieminen just didn't serve well enough when it really mattered.



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About the surface issue... In my opinion at the times were the surfaces were much diversified tennis was much more entertaining but I understand why it has been changed. I remember around 2000 an increase of interesting in women's tennis, it made inter alia an impact on Eurosport which decided to switch its focus from men's to women's tennis. Average spectators want to witness longer rallies, so officials made all effort to deliver it slowing down the game, in a consequence the game became more one-dimensional in terms of game-styles as well as achievements by particular surfaces. In today's culture (I think tennis is a part of it) everything what has to be sold depends on an average taste
Yes, understandably after the racquet/string improvements and the mens serve fests of the late 90's early 2000's. But they simply have swung too far in the other direction. Balance is obviously needed, or something will have to give. It will be injuries to top players and shortened seasons. The changes don't have to be drastic. Clay court tournaments can still have 3-5 hour matches. 2 hours on hard courts or grass is plenty - 5 or 6 is ridiculous.

The women's game was more interesting at that time, because there was enough variety in playing conditions that all types of players had a shot of winning and the racquet/string improvements allowed women to be more aggressive. Now, how are pure retrievers like Wozniacki #1 for 2 years? If the men can't put away winners, most of the ladies even have a harder time, except for the 185+ cm superwomen. The women would benefit as well if the pendulum swung in the other direction some.

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The women's game was more interesting at that time, because there was enough variety in playing conditions that all types of players had a shot of winning and the racquet/string improvements allowed women to be more aggressive. Now, how are pure retrievers like Wozniacki #1 for 2 years? If the men can't put away winners, most of the ladies even have a harder time, except for the 185+ cm superwomen. The women would benefit as well if the pendulum swung in the other direction some.
If Wozniacki is that successful/rewarded for her retrieving, why does she have 0 slams? Not to mention that none of the slam winners in the last 5 slams are 185+ cm superwomen. Anyway, it's offtopic here.

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Jarkko being shit at the decisive moments.
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Nieminen is 17 days older than Federer, for both it was a tournament No. 246 in their careers.

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