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Tennis isn´t all drama, it isn´t a physical struggle to see who lasts the most playing the game. It´s a technical sport, period.

The joy i get from tennis is from the speed and beauty of the shots and from the technical brilliance displayed by the players. That´s it.

The thing is that nowadays they´ve been selling this spartan thing, where the most fittest player prevails, taking advantage of the slower courts and highly defensive play.

It´s no surprise Djokovic and Nadal have been dominating most of the tour. It´s all build to fit their styles. And i´m not offended when people say they enjoy their clashes, but to say it´s the best tennis we have ever seen is stupid.


PS: 2008 Wimbledon final is way overrated.
You make it sound like it's all about endurance, well, it isn't... If it was, then the favored playing style would be pushing the ball until someone falls over due to exhaustion. I definitely wouldn't describe Djokovic as a pusher and Nadal also displayed some brilliant shotmaking in this match, that is when Djokovic's deep returns/groundstrokes allowed him to. Djokovic and Nadal were hitting better winners deep into the 5th set and 6th hour than many others managed to display in their respective first few sets/hours of play. Players don't become pushers just because the other guy has an uncanny ability to retrieve balls that would be winners against 99% of players on tour.

As for endurance, endurance only truly comes into play when you meet someone who's actually your equal in terms of tennis skills. It's not like they are slugging it out past the 5 hour mark from round one. But, are you saying that endurance shouldn't be one of those factors (along with mental fortitude, etc) that separates two equally matched players? Isn't that also a part of the sports experience? This is tennis after all, not golf, you're supposed to do some running You say that you appreciate the "beauty of shots and technical brilliance" in tennis, but isn't footwork and court positioning equally important in shotmaking technique? Even when someone like Federer neglects his footwork, his shotmaking and accuracy takes a visible hit. If footwork, running and stretching wasn't important to most tennis fans, then wheelchair tennis would be aired on primetime TV. There is more to tennis than just the finishing touch of the wrist, even Federer with all his touch and finesse knows better than to ignore that.

Regarding the historic development of the sport, from 1993-2003 (with the sole exception of Agassi in '99) you had year-ending #1's that were either ace serving machines (Sampras, Roddick), clay court specialists (Kuerten) or archetypal pushers (Hewitt). If anything has ever been a threat to the sport of tennis, it's IMHO not "monster fitness" but "monster serving". I definitely wouldn't want to see the likes of Isner and Raonic dominate the tour over someone like Djokovic.
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archetypal pushers (Hewitt)
hewitt is a pusher but nadal is a shotmaker


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ace serving machines (Sampras



but even if your statements were true . there was some variety . not battle of last standing pin-pongers

it's amazing how somebody has the will to write few paragraphs of such quality rubbish

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Sampras never served 40 aces in a match (also not to many with +30).. stupid troicki made 28 in 4 sets in Wimbledon last year

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"a rock-paper-scissors relationship between Djokovic who beats Nadal, Nadal who beats Federer, and Federer who is the only player to beat Djokovic in a slam last year since 2010"

I like this part, it's funny. The AO final may not be the greatest match, but there was something in it that I had never seen before, it seems it fueled interest for tennis, even casual fans are now more intrigued, I wouldn't say these tennis times are boring. I'm looking forward to RG, and can't remember the last time I awaited some tournament with so much anticipation.
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If by "best tennis" you mean running left and right for 6 hours on a pathetic slow court then yes.
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I think you could say that he was at least in patches in this match (with the qualifier that I included and which you conveniently omitted for the sake of your argument - namely, when not pushed back by Djokovic's depth), at least it was evident that he was trying very hard to be that. I did not give the pretence of this statement being a complete analysis of his game. That's just something you've decided to extrapolate from my words.

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There was of course more to his game than serving (he was far more versatile than, for instance, a true serve-bot like Ivanisevic), and I would never go as far as calling him an archetypal serve-bot for that matter. However, while we're generalizing the attributes of the current top players, I don't think this is any less an accurate statement.

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but even if your statements were true . there was some variety . not battle of last standing pin-pongers
Are you talking about just the Djokovic-Nadal match[up] or the current state of tennis in general? I see some variety in the different matchups between the current top 4 and also the way they matchup/play on different surfaces (in the USO final they weren't pinned to the baseline quite as much). Then, additionally, you have contrasting styles further down the ranks within the top 20 as evidenced by the likes of Isner and Dolgopolov. It was way more boring to watch tennis at Wimbledon in the '90:s for instance. It's not such a bad time to be a tennis fan now...

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The most drawn-out tennis ever seen probably. The best? Meh, not so much.


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We should be appreciative of Federer though, because we will never see anything like him again. The fact he can still compete for slams ever after the erosion of his physical skills is really a greater testament to the natural talent he has than the period of time when he was dominating the tour.
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The question that remains is will the increased physicality of the game reduce players' careers substantially, or will the improved science of the game (training methods, fitness levels, equipment) counter-act the physical demands and allow them to last for the length of a traditional career. I guess we'll know in about a decade from now. That said, it's pretty darn impressive that nadal has been able to last this long without any career ending injuries--I suspect we'll see alot of that from the current autobot players--(djokovic included?). This is clearly not the short shorts tennis era and wheezers are not welcome anymore.

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How i know that today's tennis sucks ? From watching Llodra's tanked matches I don't remember 98 without will pathetic points, just remember two pieces of brilliance points and it's enough to me . 40+ near death rallies every third point I leave to some other fans to enjoy

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Re: Article : Is this the best tennis we have ever seen?

The answer is a as resounding as possible NO.
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The quality of tennis offensively in this match actually wasn't so high and it's a match being overrated in terms of quality because of the drama it produced and because Nadal picks is ass enough and Nole bounces the ball enough to stretch the match to 5 hours 53 minutes rather than about 5 hours 20 minutes. Novak can certainly play rather better on that surface, without much question.
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What a load of twaddle
Best ??

Call this tennis ?
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Funny how most of the people reply without even reading the whole article. He's not talking only about AO final.
Yes, the highest quality tennis has been produced by the current top 3 (starting with Feds peak years, followed by Nadal and the arrival of Djokovic who is now at his peak). This particular match is probably not the best ever, maybe most dramatic. But it is a good example.
+1 Well, most of you still would say no anyway and I don't think that was the best tennis I've ever seen either. But the message of the article is far more complicated than this one-line question and it's definitely worth to read.

There's not a single type of tennis to be able to please everyone and I get why the final was frustrating for someone. Then again the game is changing all the time. So I believe the AO final type of tennis won't last forever like McEnroe implied. While you don't need to adjust your taste in the game, surely you can show some respect to the players occasionally for what they're delivering with (to some's eyes) their limited talent under the given circumstances and acknowledge their efforts to reach that level.
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No this is not. Today's the "whoever-gets-the-best-supplements" era.
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maybe not the best but at the fedfarts drowning in their own hate and misery ...

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