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Did anyone else feel the excessive gamesmanship from both players tainted it a bit?

I felt Nadals excessive cheering and fist pumping after simply winning his own simple service points in the 4th set, and that celebration after winning the 4th set was very unnesascary. Sure, celebrate when you win a break point or something, but winning a service point is just a bit excessive and shows he knew he was being outplayed.

Similarly, the dramatic way Novak fell to the ground in the 5th set was a bit silly He got up and continued to play fine after that point. Also, like it or not, he was clearly faking sluggishness in the 5th set. He would hit a shot with perfect follow through, and only after it missed he sort of slumped over and limped a bit. It was painfully obvious and it cant be denied. He did it at least 2-3 times.

And finally, both players were taking in excess of 30 seconds between points, and despite a friendly warning, NOTHING was done yet again from the umpire.

Not to sound hatefull, but this is kind of why I like the Federer Murray matches. You dont get so much of this kind of thing. It was still a great match but the commentators are just so clueless, after seeing it time and time and time again with Ferrer, Murray et all, they still thought Novak was dead tired

I dont have a problem with it actually, I just wish the commentators and expert would stop pretending and admit that gamesmanship has become a part of the game at the top.

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I agree. A little bit too much drama for my taste.
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I felt Nadals excessive cheering and fist pumping after simply winning his own simple service points in the 4th set, and that celebration after winning the 4th set was very unnesascary. Sure, celebrate when you win a break point or something, but winning a service point is just a bit excessive and shows he knew he was being outplayed.

Similarly, the dramatic way Novak fell to the ground in the 5th set was a bit silly He got up and continued to play fine after that point. Also, like it or not, he was clearly faking sluggishness in the 5th set. He would hit a shot with perfect follow through, and only after it missed he sort of slumped over and limped a bit. It was painfully obvious and it cant be denied. He did it at least 2-3 times.

And finally, both players were taking in excess of 30 seconds between points, and despite a friendly warning, NOTHING was done yet again from the umpire.

Not to sound hatefull, but this is kind of why I like the Federer Murray matches. You dont get so much of this kind of thing. It was still a great match but the commentators are just so clueless, after seeing it time and time and time again with Ferrer, Murray et all, they still thought Novak was dead tired

I dont have a problem with it actually, I just wish the commentators and expert would stop pretending and admit that gamesmanship has become a part of the game at the top.

This is what makes federer so great. He never does any of this shit, and he always looks fit enuff for the occasion.

On a side note, nadal's ridiculous fist pumps after every point and his maniac yelling was downright scary.
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Obviously people like it, as do the broadcasters. Have you seen the prematch promos with the gladiatorial music and slow mos of their ridiculous celebrations? Its a fucking tennis match not a one on one fight to the death. Everyone is so desperate for matches to be "epic" these days regardless of the actual play is. If you asked 90% of fans they'd rather watch a 5 hour baseline fest with filled with choking rather than a high quality tennis match that lasted for 3 hours.

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I felt Nadals excessive cheering and fist pumping after simply winning his own simple service points in the 4th set, and that celebration after winning the 4th set was very unnesascary. Sure, celebrate when you win a break point or something, but winning a service point is just a bit excessive and shows he knew he was being outplayed.

Similarly, the dramatic way Novak fell to the ground in the 5th set was a bit silly He got up and continued to play fine after that point. Also, like it or not, he was clearly faking sluggishness in the 5th set. He would hit a shot with perfect follow through, and only after it missed he sort of slumped over and limped a bit. It was painfully obvious and it cant be denied. He did it at least 2-3 times.

And finally, both players were taking in excess of 30 seconds between points, and despite a friendly warning, NOTHING was done yet again from the umpire.

Not to sound hatefull, but this is kind of why I like the Federer Murray matches. You dont get so much of this kind of thing. It was still a great match but the commentators are just so clueless, after seeing it time and time and time again with Ferrer, Murray et all, they still thought Novak was dead tired

I dont have a problem with it actually, I just wish the commentators and expert would stop pretending and admit that gamesmanship has become a part of the game at the top.

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Along the same lines, was Nadal more...aggressive than usual in the warm-up? It looked to me like he was kind of trying to do a "win" the warm-up thing, but it might be just me.

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Obviously people like it, as do the broadcasters. Have you seen the prematch promos with the gladiatorial music and slow mos of their ridiculous celebrations? Its a fucking tennis match no a one on one fight to the death. Everyone is so desperate for matches to be "epic" these days regardless of the actual play is. If you asked 90% of fans they'd rather watch a 5 hour baseline fest with filled with choking rather than a high quality tennis match that lasted for 3 hours.
I was praying that Djokovic would finish some points at net and win the fourth set tiebreak.

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No player is perfect sadly. They all have their faults. Most of the things listed by the OP don't really bother me that much. Nadal has been doing his thing since forever. The Djoker has improved in certain areas but he still has some way to go, he is trying though. A lot of people still have not forgiven the Djoker for what he did during those dark days were he quit in almost every major. I'm gland he out grew that phase. The time they take between points will never change, they are too used to doing it.
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What tainted the final as much as anything was the excessive gamesmanship by linesmen.
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I was praying that Djokovic would finish some points at net and win the fourth set tiebreak.

He needs to volley more especially in punishing matches like the one today. It makes life easier. Murray should also volley more. Heck every player on tour should learn how to freakin volley.
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There's always some drama with Nole when he's on court, it's just the way he is However, I don't get how is the facial/body expression gamesmanship? Why would anyone give a sh*t whether his opponent is happy, sad, or whatever?

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He needs to volley more especially in punishing matches like the one today. It makes life easier. Murray should also volley more. Heck every player on tour should learn how to freakin volley.
The sad thing, despite some nervous misses, he's a more talented volleyer than either Djokovic or Nadal. His approach/transition game needs work though.

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I felt Nadals excessive cheering and fist pumping after simply winning his own simple service points in the 4th set, and that celebration after winning the 4th set was very unnesascary. Sure, celebrate when you win a break point or something, but winning a service point is just a bit excessive and shows he knew he was being outplayed.

Similarly, the dramatic way Novak fell to the ground in the 5th set was a bit silly He got up and continued to play fine after that point. Also, like it or not, he was clearly faking sluggishness in the 5th set. He would hit a shot with perfect follow through, and only after it missed he sort of slumped over and limped a bit. It was painfully obvious and it cant be denied. He did it at least 2-3 times.

And finally, both players were taking in excess of 30 seconds between points, and despite a friendly warning, NOTHING was done yet again from the umpire.

Not to sound hatefull, but this is kind of why I like the Federer Murray matches. You dont get so much of this kind of thing. It was still a great match but the commentators are just so clueless, after seeing it time and time and time again with Ferrer, Murray et all, they still thought Novak was dead tired

I dont have a problem with it actually, I just wish the commentators and expert would stop pretending and admit that gamesmanship has become a part of the game at the top.
That was the big taint. Probably watched a full hour of Nadal buttpicks and and Djokovic ball bouncing. Funny how the media will pimp this up as the greatest ever and how the physicality was over the top when both players AVERAGED 30-35 sec. That means sometimes they took a full minute...

That's were the theatrics come in form both players. Did you notice how Nadal slowly walks up when he wants to challenge? How they both often asks the umpire? How they sometimes after a long point are super-slow to recover and get back to position? All such things add up too. They deliberately slow down the game for more rest. The only thing that makes it semi-fair is that they both do it. Problem is that many players that face them aren't using the same tactics and become frustrated instead because they have to wait all the time.
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Yes. Too many rules breaking.
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Obviously people like it, as do the broadcasters. Have you seen the prematch promos with the gladiatorial music and slow mos of their ridiculous celebrations? Its a fucking tennis match not a one on one fight to the death. Everyone is so desperate for matches to be "epic" these days regardless of the actual play is. If you asked 90% of fans they'd rather watch a 5 hour baseline fest with filled with choking rather than a high quality tennis match that lasted for 3 hours.
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