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Re: Who the hell on he tour hits a heavy topspin TWO-HANDED backhand?

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The heavy topspin comes from the wrist, and wrist movement is restricted on a two-handed shot

Its the same reason you can't hit a slice two handed

The pay-off is better control obviously
How does the top spin from BH come from the wrist?

You actually have much more freedom in the "wrist movement" when playing 2 handed.

That's why f.e. you can hit a sharp cross passing shot on a full stretch from BH with 2 hands and there is no way you can twist your wrist to achieve the same with one hand.

Top spin comes from the whole swing and the grip on the racquet.

The fact that usually one handers play more top spin from BH than 2 handers is because of the much wider amplitude of the swing with one hand, which is limited when you hold the racquet with two hands.
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Re: Who the hell on he tour hits a heavy topspin TWO-HANDED backhand?

Gasquets has more topspinn on backhand look at that and you understand. Its in the wrist and in the grip too.
With federer grip you cant top spinn as much as Rafa.
the towel man has more topspinn than fed on forehand
but he has not so much top spinn on bh side.

Rafa has more top spinn on his bh. He is a spinn player for good and worse.



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Re: Who the hell on he tour hits a heavy topspin TWO-HANDED backhand?

Does Nadal hit the most topspin on any 2hbh?

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Re: Who the hell on he tour hits a heavy topspin TWO-HANDED backhand?

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Gasquets has more topspinn on backhand look at that and you understand. Its in the wrist and in the grip too.
With federer grip you cant top spinn as much as Rafa.
the towel man has more topspinn than fed on forehand
but he has not so much top spinn on bh side.

Rafa has more top spinn on his bh. He is a spinn player for good and worse.
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Re: Who the hell on he tour hits a heavy topspin TWO-HANDED backhand?

Borg & Vilas certainly used to.

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Re: Who the hell on he tour hits a heavy topspin TWO-HANDED backhand?

Kent Carlsson and Bruguera used to.

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Can place very well thought! Can use your other arm to make it easier ! Djokovic definetly gets topspin on his backhands, who the hell does slice two handed? Er no,one cus that,s impossible! Everyone volley,s and slices 1 handed! If two handers where so bad how come nine of the last 10 Slam winners have two handed b hands? There,s a difference between any old two handed and a good one , like nadal Murray or djokovic !
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Re: Who the hell on he tour hits a heavy topspin TWO-HANDED backhand?

Bruguera has such a strange backhand. Looks like he's scooping a lot of balls with an open racket face, and also the range of motion looks very short.

Not sure how he could generate heavy topspin with that stroke.

How does the 'reverse c' vs straight back take-back have an effect on topspin production?

When you do a reverse c, you start from high, then go low, then finish high again. The other take-back is simply low to high. So, theoretically, starting high on the take-back offers no advantages and is just an extra step (the first 'high-to-low' motion) to unnecessarily complicate your stroke?
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Re: Who the hell on he tour hits a heavy topspin TWO-HANDED backhand?

The question was who hits a 2 handed heavy topspin backhand, there are plenty of youtube clips where you can watch it.

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Re: Who the hell on he tour hits a heavy topspin TWO-HANDED backhand?

How is it impossible to generate great topspin with the two handed backhand? Some of you even play tennis? You drop your racquet until you feel you're underneath the ball so that your left forearm snaps as you make contact with the ball. Relax your right hand and let your left side dictate the natural swing motion so you may get your balance, so essentially you're like hitting your backhand like it's your forehand. Once you find the natural flow and as you're underneath the ball, your left arm as you make contact should be straight while your wrist/forearm snaps around the ball as the follow through will finish up almost on top of your head like you've just hit a reverse forehand. It's just a left handed forehand, simple. Impossible? No. The backhand topspin shot will always be undermined by the dominant forehand, which have the upper hand in creating paste and spin.

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Re: Who the hell on he tour hits a heavy topspin TWO-HANDED backhand?

Nalbandian does some sick angles with his backhand. That must mean lots of topspin
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Re: Who the hell on he tour hits a heavy topspin TWO-HANDED backhand?

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How is it impossible to generate great topspin with the two handed backhand? Some of you even play tennis? You drop your racquet until you feel you're underneath the ball so that your left forearm snaps as you make contact with the ball. Relax your right hand and let your left side dictate the natural swing motion so you may get your balance, so essentially you're like hitting your backhand like it's your forehand. Once you find the natural flow and as you're underneath the ball, your left arm follow through will finish up almost on top of your head like you've just hit a reverse forehand. It's just a left handed forehand, simple. Impossible? No. The backhand topspin shot will always be undermined by the dominant forehand, which have the upper hand in creating paste and spin.
good explanation. I play tennis myself and if I hit a topspin forehand using my LEFT arm it would feel very unnatural. So that's why hitting a topspin backhand probably feels very unnatural too. It just comes naturally to hit the backhand flatter because you want to use your right arm a lot even in the 2h backhand to really crank up the power. Playing heavy topspin I would no doubt frame-hit a lot of backhands.

Top players are more coordinated yes but if they never practice on it it's going to be hard for them to. It's just not natural. If you really wanted to play your BH like your topspin forehand it would almost be best to be perfectly double-handed, that is not having one clear dominant hand. Maybe that's why some of the "magicians" like Santoro for example mastered the double-hander fully. Strikes me as a guy who could probably even play with the racket in his other hand and still do alright.

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Re: Who the hell on he tour hits a heavy topspin TWO-HANDED backhand?

So, basically most pro's that hit with a heavy 2hbh are retired clay-courters?

Is there anyone current that does it?
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