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2012 AO SF: will it make Murray more or less likely to win a slam in future?

Will he go through a post-AO slump like in the previous 2 years?

Will this tight grand slam loss to a major rival make him tighter still against the top guys?

I think every big loss against a big player is very damaging. Look at what happened with Nadal vs Djokovic. The damage is also physical as well as psychological; Murray is older than Djokovic and has probably 12 months left of his life in which to win a slam.

If Murrays chances of winning a slam one day were so-so before today, I think they have now taken a significant hit.

Was Murrays body language as negative as it has been when he was down in the match?
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Re: 2012 AO SF: will it make Murray more or less likely to win a slam in future?

It was a devastating defeat, that's why I think he will copy last year. Only worse.
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Re: 2012 AO SF: will it make Murray more or less likely to win a slam in future?

No, being close should be encouraging.
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Re: 2012 AO SF: will it make Murray more or less likely to win a slam in future?

Being a SF I think it'll encourage and motivate him even more.

Had that been a final though I think he might have mentally lost it, perhaps even for good.
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Re: 2012 AO SF: will it make Murray more or less likely to win a slam in future?

I don't think he'll slump....at least not nearly as bad as last year. Losing to Donald Young will end up one of his career lowlights.

But this loss to Djokovic doesn't help OR hurt his chances of winning a Slam. He never had a chance in the first place and that hasn't changed. Okay well I shouldn't say that....if Murray gets lucky and doesn't have to face Roger, Rafa, or Novak in a Slam and ends up playing Gael Monfils or Gilles Simon in a final, then he could win. But that just isn't gonna happen.
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Re: 2012 AO SF: will it make Murray more or less likely to win a slam in future?

I think it will help him. This was a "good loss" for him, entirely the opposite of the past few years.

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I don't think he'll slump....at least not nearly as bad as last year. Losing to Donald Young will end up one of his career lowlights.

But this loss to Djokovic doesn't help OR hurt his chances of winning a Slam. He never had a chance in the first place and that hasn't changed. Okay well I shouldn't say that....if Murray gets lucky and doesn't have to face Roger, Rafa, or Novak in a Slam and ends up playing Gael Monfils or Gilles Simon in a final, then he could win. But that just isn't gonna happen.
I woke up to get a glass of water at 4AM and I decided to sit down and watch some of the second set. The level that Murray displayed in that set tells me hes actually a lot closer to winning a Slam

The problem is, what I saw on the final set was a lot of pushing. Not sure if it was due to fatigue or what but he just got a lot more passive in the final set. Can Lendl help him overcome that?
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I woke up to get a glass of water at 4AM and I decided to sit down and watch some of the second set. The level that Murray displayed in that set tells me hes actually a lot closer to winning a Slam

The problem is, what I saw on the final set was a lot of pushing. Not sure if it was due to fatigue or what but he just got a lot more passive in the final set. Can Lendl help him overcome that?
He did get passive but only in the 5-5 game, in particular the point Nole saved with the down the line FH, there were opportunities but he didn't pull the trigger.

The worst one was the backhand into the net.

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It was a devastating defeat, that's why I think he will copy last year. Only worse.
Rather, you hope that. This wasn't a final, so this won't be anywhere near as devastating as last year. He seems to be very pleased with how he played, so there won't be a slump this time, unfortunately for you

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The worst one was the backhand into the net.
Yes. Very painful to watch. The shot was there.

I really hope he doesn't go through a bad slump again, even if I don't call myself a fan. Losing to Donald Young makes baby Jesus sad.
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I dunno how it makes it likely.. All this shows is Murray is still just a headcase when it comes right down to it on the big stage.
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Rather, you hope that. This wasn't a final, so this won't be anywhere near as devastating as last year. He seems to be very pleased with how he played, so there won't be a slump this time, unfortunately for you
Ignorant kid. I actually wanted Murray to win today. But he failed again.
The problem is that probably he played his best match in a long time and still lost to a 70-80% Djokovic. This is Murray's peak, he is pretty old, can't see him improving that much in the future. He will always be in quarters or semis, just no further because of top 3. That simple.
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Ignorant kid. I actually wanted Murray to win today. But he failed again.
The problem is that probably he played his best match in a long time and still lost to a 70-80% Djokovic. This is Murray's peak, he is pretty old, can't see him improving that much in the future. He will always be in quarters or semis, just no further because of top 3. That simple.
You call me ignorant, yet you claim that this result will make Murray slump? He's very happy with this result, as it was a good loss (as good as a loss to Djokovic can be). Yet you continue to say he'll slump because of it? How ignorant of you.

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You call me ignorant, yet you claim that this result will make Murray slump? He's very happy with this result, as it was a good loss (as good as a loss to Djokovic can be). Yet you continue to say he'll slump because of it? How ignorant of you.
He won't tell the press that he is depressed.
But. He fought for nothing today. He played an awesome third set, arguably his best forehands in a long time. Then he tanked the 4th in a shameless way, it was a sin. Nobody can be happy after a lost semi, especially if he fought for 5 hours. Had he lost in 3 easy sets, it would be much easier.
I bet it will affect his results.
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