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Exactly! Novak is not Federer! Look at Federer's record in 2006 - he lost only to Nadal & Murray. Djokovic lost to Tipsarevic, Nishikori, Ferrer, Murray, Federer, Del Potro. Plus you can't ignore style of play. Djokovic's is more of a strain to his body than Federer's & Djokovic does not have as good a serve as Federer - Federer could fire down a lot of aces to get on a roll - Novak wins mainly with his baseline game.

2012, 2013 may be his seasons but beyond that is unlikely. Plus Murray probably won't go awol at the HC masters like he did last year. Federer was by far the best on HCs and grass so he had 3 slams which he was the overwhelming favourite for. Novak has the Aus Open. He's favourite for US Open too but others like Murray have chances. He's not the favourite for the French or Wimbledon (or certainly won't be for an extended number of years) - far harder for him to get 10+ slams for that reason.

The Fedal era of only them winning slams is gone (but really given that Federer is over 30 this is not a big shock...) but they're still big contenders. Winning 3 sets in a best of 5 is still not easy - last year in slams Federer lost to Djokovic, Tsonga & Nadal; Nadal to Djokovic & Ferrer i.e. no one outside the top 6.

Djokovic only lost to Federer ...all other loses while valid were caused by other factors .....
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El Matador is 25.Djokovic and Murray are 24.Fedull is 30.So only Fedull is finished.
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Djokovic only lost to Federer ...all other loses while valid were caused by other factors .....
Ok - keep telling yourself that. At the end of the day when people look back at the records they will see 5 losses for Federer in 2006, 4 to an all time great and 1 to another great player (I presume Murray will win a slam and even if not his many Masters gives him some part in the history of the sport...). They'll look at who Novak lost to and say "Who was Tipsarevic? And who's this Nishikori that bagelled him?" (Unless Nishikori turns out to be a future GOAT!). Federer played at/near his best all of 2006 - Novak could only keep going till the US Open being AWOL for over 2 months of the season. I understand why and I don't blame him for getting tired but it still counts.

I'm not saying those guys beat the best Novak, clearly not - but if you have injuries or you're fatigued that doesn't show up on the record. I would put Nadal's Mayer & Dodig losses down to mental fatigue but ultimately he lost & it's on his record too... So Djokovic lost to all of those players, no matter what factors were involved.
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Ok - keep telling yourself that. At the end of the day when people look back at the records they will see 5 losses for Federer in 2006, 4 to an all time great and 1 to another great player (I presume Murray will win a slam and even if not his many Masters gives him some part in the history of the sport...). They'll look at who Novak lost to and say "Who was Tipsarevic? And who's this Nishikori that bagelled him?" (Unless Nishikori turns out to be a future GOAT!). Federer played at/near his best all of 2006 - Novak could only keep going till the US Open being AWOL for over 2 months of the season. I understand why and I don't blame him for getting tired but it still counts.
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El Matador is 25.Djokovic and Murray are 24.Fedull is 30.So only Fedull is finished.
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Ok - keep telling yourself that. At the end of the day when people look back at the records they will see 5 losses for Federer in 2006, 4 to an all time great and 1 to another great player (I presume Murray will win a slam and even if not his many Masters gives him some part in the history of the sport...). They'll look at who Novak lost to and say "Who was Tipsarevic? And who's this Nishikori that bagelled him?" (Unless Nishikori turns out to be a future GOAT!). Federer played at/near his best all of 2006 - Novak could only keep going till the US Open being AWOL for over 2 months of the season. I understand why and I don't blame him for getting tired but it still counts.

I'm not saying those guys beat the best Novak, clearly not - but if you have injuries or you're fatigued that doesn't show up on the record. I would put Nadal's Mayer & Dodig losses down to mental fatigue but ultimately he lost & it's on his record too... So Djokovic lost to all of those players, no matter what factors were involved.
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El Matador is 25.Djokovic and Murray are 24.Fedull is 30.So only Fedull is finished.
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Djokovic only lost to Federer ...all other loses while valid were caused by other factors .....
Whatever these factors are, he lost. How is this any better than Federer fans saying Djokovic only beat him at AO 2008 because he had mono? And you Djokovic fans get peeved when Federer fans bring that up. He lost, plain and simple. Any loss is valid and is reflected on public record. Stop with this bullshit.
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Yeah, it does depend on how you define the era. If the Fedal era continues as long as either of them plays at a high level/near the top, I guess it's not over and might not be for a while. But Djokovic ended their dominance last year- so if an era is where they dominate by winning most of the major titles between them, then Fedal is already over. Djokovic won 3 slams an 5 masters, more Fedal combined. Considering Murray snatched two masters and Fedal split the remaining two masters, with Fed winning the WTF and Nadal winning the FO, it's pretty clear Fedal didn't dominate 2011.

Even if they win the majority of the major titles this year, I don't think we could call it part of the same era that was a string of consecutive years where they split the majority of the big titles between them, from 2004 to 2010.

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Its over and its already one Australian Open past it.
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Whatever these factors are, he lost. How is this any better than Federer fans saying Djokovic only beat him at AO 2008 because he had mono? And you Djokovic fans get peeved when Federer fans bring that up. He lost, plain and simple. Any loss is valid and is reflected on public record. Stop with this bullshit.
because Nole got beat by mugs and Fed reached the SF of a GS ? and that mono is a lie
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It has to be said that Djokovic all other losses in 2011 were unfortunate and would not have happened but for injury. Also i do think if that Match at RG went on to the 5th Set, Djokovic would have won against Federer.
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Ok - keep telling yourself that. At the end of the day when people look back at the records they will see 5 losses for Federer in 2006, 4 to an all time great and 1 to another great player (I presume Murray will win a slam and even if not his many Masters gives him some part in the history of the sport...). They'll look at who Novak lost to and say "Who was Tipsarevic? And who's this Nishikori that bagelled him?" (Unless Nishikori turns out to be a future GOAT!). Federer played at/near his best all of 2006 - Novak could only keep going till the US Open being AWOL for over 2 months of the season. I understand why and I don't blame him for getting tired but it still counts.

I'm not saying those guys beat the best Novak, clearly not - but if you have injuries or you're fatigued that doesn't show up on the record. I would put Nadal's Mayer & Dodig losses down to mental fatigue but ultimately he lost & it's on his record too... So Djokovic lost to all of those players, no matter what factors were involved.
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It has to be said that Djokovic all other losses in 2011 were unfortunate and would not have happened but for injury. Also i do think if that Match at RG went on to the 5th Set, Djokovic would have won against Federer.
no he probably would have lost another few matches but those loses were because of injury
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