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Fed/Rafa/Djoker: how often they've faced the top 5

I was bored and was wondering how often the Big 3 had to beat a top 5 opponent whenever they won a slam. Soooo.....

Djokovic
Slam titles: 4
Top 5 opponents faced: 7
Number of top 5 opponents per title: 1.75

Nadal
Slam titles: 10
Top 5 opponents faced: 13
Number of top 5 opponents per title: 1.3
(NOTE: Nadal faced 6 top 5 opponents during his first 4 slam wins [vs. Djokovic's 7])

Federer
Slam titles: 16
Top 5 opponents he faced: 19
Number of top 5 opponents per title: 1.19
(NOTE: Federer faced 6 top 5 opponents during his first 4 slam wins [vs. Djokovic's 7 & Nadal's 6] and 12 top 5 opponents during his first 10 slam wins [vs. Nadal's 13]. Also, he didn't play a single top 5 seed in two of his slam titles: the 2007 Australian Open [10th slam] & Wimbledon 2009 [15th slam])


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Re: Fed/Rafa/Djoker: how often they've faced the top 5

sure, federer had some luck with his slam wins, especially with his first wimbledon title, but considering that he won virtually every slam from 2004-2007 other than RG and 05 AO, you can't really blame fed that top 5 players lost before having the chance to face fed in the later stages.
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Re: Fed/Rafa/Djoker: how often they've faced the top 5

not that much really, well some times they do go against them
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Ridiculous stats. So Federerīs US Open 2006 draw was harder than Nadalīs US Open 2010 draw.

Q 2006: Federer against world no.7 James Blake
Q 2010: Nadal against giant killer Fernando Verdasco

S 2006: Federer against world no.6 Davydenko
S 2010: Nadal against Youzhny (who won in five sets against Wawrinka in the prevoius round)

F 2006: Federer against Roddick (he used to be a slam contender)
F 2010: Nadal against Djokovic (who won in 7-5 in the 5th set two days before)

Maybe it shows only that the rest of the field gets worse so that a player like Murray can reach all slam semis in a year ...

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Also, he didn't play a single top 5 seed in two of his slam titles: the 2007 Australian Open [10th slam] & Wimbledon 2009 [15th slam])[/i]
So, according to you it would have been a greater achievement if he had beaten Nadal at the Australian Open 2007 although Gonzalez was way better in that tournament. Or it would have been greater if he had beaten Murray in the Wimbledon final and Djokovic in the semi, although both of them lost a better player in the previous round.
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Ridiculous stats. So Federerīs US Open 2006 draw was harder than Nadalīs US Open 2010 draw.

Q 2006: Federer against world no.7 James Blake
Q 2010: Nadal against giant killer Fernando Verdasco

S 2006: Federer against world no.6 Davydenko
S 2010: Nadal against Youzhny (who won in five sets against Wawrinka in the prevoius round)

F 2006: Federer against Roddick (he used to be a slam contender)
F 2010: Nadal against Djokovic (who won in 7-5 in the 5th set two days before)

Maybe it shows only that the rest of the field gets worse so that a player like Murray can reach all slam semis in a year ...



So, according to you it would have been a greater achievement if he had beaten Nadal at the Australian Open 2007 although Gonzalez was way better in that tournament. Or it would have been greater if he had beaten Murray in the Wimbledon final and Djokovic in the semi, although both of them lost a better player in the previous round.
Don't try to sugarcoat Olderer's slam runs Blake was a mug who never reached a slam SF and was Olderer's pigeon as much as Verdasco for Nadal. Both were top 10 players and Verdasco actually made a slam SF

Second, Davydenko is a known slam choker, shit best of 5 player and another Olderer's pigeon. Youzhny actually beat Nadal comfortably on some occasions...

Lastly you are actually comparing all serve clown like Roddick to Djokovic? lol...Maybe you need a reality check. Olderer played absolute clowns in most of his GS finals, while Nadal's wins were much more impressive.
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Don't try to sugarcoat Olderer's slam runs Blake was a mug who never reached a slam SF and was Olderer's pigeon as much as Verdasco for Nadal. Both were top 10 players and Verdasco actually made a slam SF

Second, Davydenko is a known slam choker, shit best of 5 player and another Olderer's pigeon. Youzhny actually beat Nadal comfortably on some occasions...

Lastly you are actually comparing all serve clown like Roddick to Djokovic? lol...Maybe you need a reality check. Olderer played absolute clowns in most of his GS finals, while Nadal's wins were much more impressive.
All serve clown beat Nadal in 2010 and served for the match at the WTF, too. And in 2010 Djokovic did not play that impressive (losing to Melzer after a 2-0 sets lead).
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Ridiculous stats. So Federerīs US Open 2006 draw was harder than Nadalīs US Open 2010 draw.

Q 2006: Federer against world no.7 James Blake
Q 2010: Nadal against giant killer Fernando Verdasco

S 2006: Federer against world no.6 Davydenko
S 2010: Nadal against Youzhny (who won in five sets against Wawrinka in the prevoius round)

F 2006: Federer against Roddick (he used to be a slam contender)
F 2010: Nadal against Djokovic (who won in 7-5 in the 5th set two days before)
Um, I accounted for their entire careers not just one tournament.

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Maybe it shows only that the rest of the field gets worse so that a player like Murray can reach all slam semis in a year ...
Murray has a leading H2H against Federer. I know you hate him (as do I) but I can at least acknowledge that he's a very good player.



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So, according to you it would have been a greater achievement if he had beaten Nadal at the Australian Open 2007 although Gonzalez was way better in that tournament. Or it would have been greater if he had beaten Murray in the Wimbledon final and Djokovic in the semi, although both of them lost a better player in the previous round.
According to ME? I didn't make any conclusions. You're way too defensive.
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I was bored and was wondering how often the Big 3 had to beat a top 5 opponent whenever they won a slam. Soooo.....

Djokovic
Slam titles: 4
Top 5 opponents faced: 7
Number of top 5 opponents per title: 1.75

Nadal
Slam titles: 10
Top 5 opponents faced: 13
Number of top 5 opponents per title: 1.3
(NOTE: Nadal faced 6 top 5 opponents during his first 4 slam wins [vs. Djokovic's 7])

Federer
Slam titles: 16
Top 5 opponents he faced: 19
Number of top 5 opponents per title: 1.19
(NOTE: Federer faced 6 top 5 opponents during his first 4 slam wins [vs. Djokovic's 7 & Nadal's 6] and 12 top 5 opponents during his first 10 slam wins [vs. Nadal's 13]. Also, he didn't play a single top 5 seed in two of his slam titles: the 2007 Australian Open [10th slam] & Wimbledon 2009 [15th slam])


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Why top 5? It should be top 4. Those are the guys you meet in the semis and finals. If you are going to include number 5 then make it top 8.

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Fed vs Rafa

Wimbledon: 7-2
U.s open: 5-2
AO: 4-1
FO 1-9
WTF: 6-0
Weeks at number one: 302-140(about)

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Yes you were "bored"

Believe it or not the quality of an opponent on any given day isn't determined by their seeding. If Federer wasn't playing seeded players that means they lost earlier, to better players.

It's particularly amusing that you highlight AO '07 and Wimbledon '09, two tournaments in which Federer played by far the best player from the bottom half in the final.
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Yes you were "bored"

Believe it or not the quality of an opponent on any given day isn't determined by their seeding. If Federer wasn't playing seeded players that means they lost earlier, to better players
So there were more one-time wonder players back then?

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It's particularly amusing that you highlight AO '07 and Wimbledon '09, two tournaments in which Federer played by far the best player from the bottom half in the final.
Well the thread IS titled how often they've faced the top 5 It's highlighted because it contradicts the thread title. I thought that was obvious.
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Ridiculous stats. So Federerīs US Open 2006 draw was harder than Nadalīs US Open 2010 draw.

Q 2006: Federer against world no.7 James Blake
Q 2010: Nadal against giant killer Fernando Verdasco

S 2006: Federer against world no.6 Davydenko
S 2010: Nadal against Youzhny (who won in five sets against Wawrinka in the prevoius round)

F 2006: Federer against Roddick (he used to be a slam contender)
F 2010: Nadal against Djokovic (who won in 7-5 in the 5th set two days before)
:retard: clearly nadal had the harder draw

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So there were more one-time wonder players back then?
In a word, yes. Even as recently as '09 we've had Soderling, Roddick and Del Potro play fantastic tennis in slam runs even though they weren't seeded top 5.

Not that I'd consider any of those three "one-time wonder players".
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I was bored and was wondering how often the Big 3 had to beat a top 5 opponent whenever they won a slam. Soooo.....

Djokovic
Slam titles: 4
Top 5 opponents faced: 7
Number of top 5 opponents per title: 1.75

Nadal
Slam titles: 10
Top 5 opponents faced: 13
Number of top 5 opponents per title: 1.3
(NOTE: Nadal faced 6 top 5 opponents during his first 4 slam wins [vs. Djokovic's 7])

Federer
Slam titles: 16
Top 5 opponents he faced: 19
Number of top 5 opponents per title: 1.19
(NOTE: Federer faced 6 top 5 opponents during his first 4 slam wins [vs. Djokovic's 7 & Nadal's 6] and 12 top 5 opponents during his first 10 slam wins [vs. Nadal's 13]. Also, he didn't play a single top 5 seed in two of his slam titles: the 2007 Australian Open [10th slam] & Wimbledon 2009 [15th slam])


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Congrats Mimic. I have it on good authority that these stats will mean that the tennis authorities will now proceed to Fed's house, and remove at least 6 of his GS trophies, and furthermore, all traces of his having won them will be deleted from the record books



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MIMIC trying to downplay Fed's (and Nadal's) GS achievements with lousy irrelevant statistics again. What else is new.

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Time to start a 'how often they've lost to a complete random mug outside of the top 5 in slams' thread

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