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2010 Nadal vs 2011 Nadal

Some say last yearīs Nadal was the best we ever saw. He dominated the competition, winning 3 consecutive slams and 3 Masters Shields. Some say this yearīs Nadal was subpar.

I always had the feeling that Nadalīs level wasnīt really that low and the only thing that changed in the game was Djokovic. Nothing else.

So i compared the so called best Nadal of 2010 with the somewhat subpar Nadal of 2011:


DOHA:

2010

R32 Simone Bolelli (ITA) 93 W 6-3, 6-3
R16 Potito Starace (ITA) 62 W 6-2, 6-2
Q Steve Darcis (BEL) 122 W 6-1, 2-0 RET
S Viktor Troicki (SRB) 29 W 6-1, 6-3
F Nikolay Davydenko (RUS) 6 L 6-0, 6-7(8), 4-6

2011

R32 Karol Beck (SVK) 103 W 6-3, 6-0
R16 Lukas Lacko (SVK) 89 W 7-6(3), 0-6, 6-3
Q Ernests Gulbis (LAT) 24 W 7-6(3), 6-3
S Nikolay Davydenko (RUS) 22 L 3-6, 2-6


Even though 2010īs Nadal reached the final instead of the 2011īs semifinal, he still lost to Davydenko. Nothing new here.


AUSTRALIAN OPEN

2010

R128 Peter Luczak (AUS) 70 W 7-6(0), 6-1, 6-4
R64 Lukas Lacko (SVK) 75 W 6-2, 6-2, 6-2
R32 Philipp Kohlschreiber (GER) 26 W 6-4, 6-2, 2-6, 7-5
R16 Ivo Karlovic (CRO) 39 W 6-4, 4-6, 6-4, 6-4
Q Andy Murray (GBR) 4 L 3-6, 6-7(2), 0-3 RET

2011

R128 Marcos Daniel (BRA) 93 W 6-0, 5-0 RET
R64 Ryan Sweeting (USA) 116 W 6-2, 6-1, 6-1
R32 Bernard Tomic (AUS) 199 W 6-2, 7-5, 6-3
R16 Marin Cilic (CRO) 15 W 6-2, 6-4, 6-3
Q David Ferrer (ESP) 7 L 4-6, 2-6, 3-6


2010īs Nadal had a tougher draw than 2011īs Nadal, but in the end they still fell out short, not reaching the final. Still, 2011īs Nadal had a better finishing pole.


INDIAN WELLS

2010

R128 Bye N/A W
R64 Rainer Schuettler (GER) 90 W 6-4, 6-4
R32 Mario Ancic (CRO) 694 W 6-2, 6-2
R16 John Isner (USA) 20 W 7-5, 3-6, 6-3
Q Tomas Berdych (CZE) 25 W 6-4, 7-6(4)
S Ivan Ljubicic (CRO) 26 L 6-3, 4-6, 6-7(1)

2011

R128 Bye N/A W
R64 Rik De Voest (RSA) 162 W 6-0, 6-2
R32 Ryan Sweeting (USA) 105 W 6-3, 6-1
R16 Somdev Devvarman (IND) 84 W 7-5, 6-4
Q Ivo Karlovic (CRO) 239 W 5-7, 6-1, 7-6(7)
S Juan Martin Del Potro (ARG)90 W 6-4, 6-4
F Novak Djokovic (SRB) 3 L 6-4, 3-6, 2-6


Better result for 2011īs Nadal, but both still had to fight to win their first title of the year.


MIAMI

2010

R128 Bye N/A W
R64 Taylor Dent (USA) 83 W 6-4, 6-3
R32 David Nalbandian (ARG) 161 W 6-7(8), 6-2, 6-2
R16 David Ferrer (ESP) 17 W 7-6(5), 6-4
Q Jo-Wilfried Tsonga (FRA) 10 W 6-3, 6-2
S Andy Roddick (USA) 8 L 6-4, 3-6, 3-6

2011

R128 Bye N/A W
R64 Kei Nishikori (JPN) 62 W 6-4, 6-4
R32 Feliciano Lopez (ESP) 41 W 6-3, 6-3
R16 Alexandr Dolgopolov (UKR) 23 W 6-1, 6-2
Q Tomas Berdych (CZE) 7 W 6-2, 3-6, 6-3
S Roger Federer (SUI) 3 W 6-3, 6-2
F Novak Djokovic (SRB) 2 L 6-4, 3-6, 6-7(4)


Similar results to Indian Wells. Both lost one set until they faced elimination in the semifinal and final respectively.


MONTE CARLO

2010

R64 Bye N/A W
R32 Thiemo de Bakker (NED) 77 W 6-1, 6-0
R16 Michael Berrer (GER) 51 W 6-0, 6-1
Q Juan Carlos Ferrero (ESP) 16 W 6-4, 6-2
S David Ferrer (ESP) 17 W 6-2, 6-3
W Fernando Verdasco (ESP) 12 W 6-0, 6-1

2011

R64 Bye N/A W
R32 Jarkko Nieminen (FIN) 59 W 6-2, 6-2
R16 Richard Gasquet (FRA) 18 W 6-2, 6-4
Q Ivan Ljubicic (CRO) 40 W 6-1, 6-3
S Andy Murray (GBR) 4 W 6-4, 2-6, 6-1
W David Ferrer (ESP) 6 W 6-4, 7-5

Both won their fist title of the year. Only difference in the set lost to Andy Murray in 2011. Nothing important here.


ROME /MADRID

2010

R64 Bye N/A W
R32 Philipp Kohlschreiber (GER) 29 W 6-1, 6-3
R16 Victor Hanescu (ROU) 39 W 6-3, 6-2
Q Stanislas Wawrinka (SUI) 26 W 6-4, 6-1
S Ernests Gulbis (LAT) 40 W 6-4, 3-6, 6-4
W David Ferrer (ESP) 17 W 7-5, 6-2

R64 Bye N/A W
R32 Alexandr Dolgopolov (UKR) 62 W 6-4, 6-3
R16 John Isner (USA) 19 W 7-5, 6-4
Q Gael Monfils (FRA) 18 W 6-1, 6-3
S Nicolas Almagro (ESP) 35 W 4-6, 6-2, 6-2
W Roger Federer (SUI) 1 W 6-4, 7-6(5)

2011

R64 Bye N/A W
R32 Marcos Baghdatis (CYP) 24 W 6-1, 6-3
R16 Juan Martin Del Potro (ARG) 32 W W/O
Q Michael Llodra (FRA) 27 W 6-2, 6-2
S Roger Federer (SUI) 3 W 5-7, 6-1, 6-3
F Novak Djokovic (SRB) 2 L 5-7, 4-6

R64 Bye N/A W
R32 Paolo Lorenzi (ITA) 148 W 6-7(5), 6-4, 6-0
R16 Feliciano Lopez (ESP) 40 W 6-4, 6-2
Q Marin Cilic (CRO) 23 W 6-1, 6-3
S Richard Gasquet (FRA) 16 W 7-5, 6-1
F Novak Djokovic (SRB) 2 L 4-6, 4-6


A pattern starts to emerge. They both lost one set in each tournament. The major difference is Djokovic.


ROLAND GARROS

2010

R128 Gianni Mina (FRA) 655 W 6-2, 6-2, 6-2
R64 Horacio Zeballos (ARG) 44 W 6-2, 6-2, 6-3
R32 Lleyton Hewitt (AUS) 33 W 6-3, 6-4, 6-3
R16 Thomaz Bellucci (BRA) 29 W 6-2, 7-5, 6-4
Q Nicolas Almagro (ESP) 21 W 7-6(2), 7-6(3), 6-4
S Jurgen Melzer (AUT) 27 W 6-2, 6-3, 7-6(6)
W Robin Soderling (SWE) 7 W 6-4, 6-2, 6-4

2011

R128 John Isner (USA) 39 W 6-4, 6-7(2), 6-7(2), 6-2, 6-4
R64 Pablo Andujar (ESP) 48 W 7-5, 6-3, 7-6(4)
R32 Antonio Veic (CRO) 227 W 6-1, 6-3, 6-0
R16 Ivan Ljubicic (CRO) 37 W 7-5, 6-3, 6-3
Q Robin Soderling (SWE) 5 W 6-4, 6-1, 7-6(3)
S Andy Murray (GBR) 4 W 6-4, 7-5, 6-4
W Roger Federer (SUI) 3 W 7-5, 7-6(3), 5-7, 6-1

Both won Roland Garros, but itīs hard to review this tournament, due to the fact that Nadal only faced a Top10 (Soderling), whether 2011īs faced 3 Top10īs (Soderling, Murray and Federer) and Djokovic was out of competition.


QUEENS

2010

R64 Bye N/A W
R32 Marcos Daniel (BRA) 112 W 6-2, 6-2
R16 Denis Istomin (UZB) 72 W 7-6(4), 4-6, 6-4
Q Feliciano Lopez (ESP) 31 L 6-7(5), 4-6

2011

R64 Bye N/A W
R32 Matthew Ebden (AUS) 168 W 6-4, 6-4
R16 Radek Stepanek (CZE) 57 W 6-3, 5-7, 6-1
Q Jo-Wilfried Tsonga (FRA) 19 L 7-6(3), 4-6, 1-6


Upset by Lopez in 2010 and by Tsonga in 2011 in the QF. Nothing new here.


WIMBLEDON

2010

R128 Kei Nishikori (JPN) 189 W 6-2, 6-4, 6-4
R64 Robin Haase (NED) 151 W 5-7, 6-2, 3-6, 6-0, 6-3
R32 Philipp Petzschner (GER) 41 W 6-4, 4-6, 6-7(5), 6-2, 6-3
R16 Paul-Henri Mathieu (FRA) 66 W 6-4, 6-2, 6-2
Q Robin Soderling (SWE) 6 W 3-6, 6-3, 7-6(4), 6-1
S Andy Murray (GBR) 4 W 6-4, 7-6(6), 6-4
W Tomas Berdych (CZE) 13 W 6-3, 7-5, 6-4

2011

R128 Michael Russell (USA) 90 W 6-4, 6-2, 6-2
R64 Ryan Sweeting (USA) 69 W 6-3, 6-2, 6-4
R32 Gilles Muller (LUX) 92 W 7-6(6), 7-6(5), 6-0
R16 Juan Martin Del Potro (ARG) 21 W 7-6(6), 3-6, 7-6(4), 6-4
Q Mardy Fish (USA) 9 W 6-3, 6-3, 5-7, 6-4
S Andy Murray (GBR) 4 W 5-7, 6-2, 6-2, 6-4
F Novak Djokovic (SRB) 2 L 4-6, 1-6, 6-1, 3-6


2010īs Nadal lost more sets than 2011īs (5 to 3), but still managed to win the title. However, 2011īs Nadal lost once again to Djokovic (5th final lost to the Serbian).


Canada /Cincinnati

2010

R64 Bye N/A W
R32 Stanislas Wawrinka (SUI) 24 W 7-6(12), 6-3
R16 Kevin Anderson (RSA) 87 W 6-2, 7-6(6)
Q Philipp Kohlschreiber (GER) 37 W 3-6, 6-3, 6-4
S Andy Murray (GBR) 4 L 3-6, 4-6

R64 Bye N/A W
R32 Taylor Dent (USA) 83 W 6-2, 7-5
R16 Julien Benneteau (FRA) 32 W 5-7, 7-6(6), 6-2
Q Marcos Baghdatis (CYP) 20 L 4-6, 6-4, 4-6

2011

R64 Bye N/A W
R32 Ivan Dodig (CRO) 41 L 6-1, 6-7(5), 6-7(5)

R64 Bye N/A W
R32 Julien Benneteau (FRA) 112 W 6-4, 7-5
R16 Fernando Verdasco (ESP) 21 W 7-6(5), 6-7(4), 7-6(9)
Q Mardy Fish (USA) 7 L 3-6, 4-6

Two early exits at Cincinnati and another one in 2011īs Canada Master, instead of 2010īs reached semifinal. Nadal was still struggling to dominate the hardcourt Masters Series.


US OPEN

2010

R128 Teymuraz Gabashvili (RUS) 93 W 7-6(4), 7-6(4), 6-3
R64 Denis Istomin (UZB) 39 W 6-2, 7-6(5), 7-5
R32 Gilles Simon (FRA) 42 W 6-4, 6-4, 6-2
R16 Feliciano Lopez (ESP) 25 W 6-3, 6-4, 6-4
Q Fernando Verdasco (ESP) 8 W 7-5, 6-3, 6-4
S Mikhail Youzhny (RUS) 14 W 6-2, 6-3, 6-4
W Novak Djokovic (SRB) 3 W 6-4, 5-7, 6-4, 6-2

2011

R128 Andrey Golubev (KAZ) 98 W 6-3, 7-6(1), 7-5
R64 Nicolas Mahut (FRA) 99 W 6-2, 6-2 RET
R32 David Nalbandian (ARG) 76 W 7-6(5), 6-1, 7-5
R16 Gilles Muller (LUX) 68 W 7-6(1), 6-1, 6-2
Q Andy Roddick (USA) 21 W 6-2, 6-1, 6-3
S Andy Murray (GBR) 4 W 6-4, 6-2, 3-6, 6-2
F Novak Djokovic (SRB) 1 L 2-6, 4-6, 7-6(3), 1-6

Easier draw in 2010, but still only one set lost in 2011, compared to 2010īs none. Yet again, he reached a final and was successful, beating in 2010 a somewhat burnout Djokovic but losing in the 6th consecutive time to the Serbian.


TOKYO

2010

R32 Santiago Giraldo (COL) 63 W 6-4, 6-4
R16 Milos Raonic (CAN) 200 W 6-4, 6-4
Q Dmitry Tursunov (RUS) 432 W 6-4, 6-1
S Viktor Troicki (SRB) 54 W 7-6(4), 4-6, 7-6(7)
W Gael Monfils (FRA) 15 W 6-1, 7-5

2011

R32 Go Soeda (JPN) 118 W 6-3, 6-2
R16 Milos Raonic (CAN) 30 W 7-5, 6-3
Q Santiago Giraldo (COL) 53 W 7-6(6), 6-3
S Mardy Fish (USA) 8 W 7-5, 6-1
F Andy Murray (GBR) 4 L 6-3, 2-6, 0-6


Didnīt face a top10 in 2010 and won, losing one set. In 2011, went to battle against a hot-form Murray and lost. Nothing out of unusual.


SHANGHAI

2010

R64 Bye N/A W
R32 Stanislas Wawrinka (SUI) 21 W 6-4, 6-4
R16 Jurgen Melzer (AUT) 12 L 1-6, 6-3, 3-6

2011

R64 Bye N/A W
R32 Guillermo Garcia-Lopez (ESP) 53 W 6-3, 6-2
R16 Florian Mayer (GER) 23 L 6-7(5), 3-6


Another two early exits in the Chinese Masters.


WTF

2010

RR Andy Roddick (USA) 8 W 3-6, 7-6(5), 6-4
RR Novak Djokovic (SRB) 3 W 7-5, 6-2
RR Tomas Berdych (CZE) 6 W 7-6(3), 6-1
S Andy Murray (GBR) 5 W 7-6(5), 3-6, 7-6(6)
F Roger Federer (SUI) 2 L 3-6, 6-3, 1-6

2011

RR Mardy Fish (USA) 8 W 6-2, 3-6, 7-6(3)
RR Roger Federer (SUI) 4 L 3-6, 0-6
RR Jo-Wilfried Tsonga (FRA) 6 L 6-7(2), 6-4, 3-6

Probably the tournament that stands out of the patern of previous ones. 2011īs Nadal didnīt even made it to the semifinalīs, whether 2010īs reached the final. Though both still lost to Federer.



So letīs analyse throughly each year:

WINS/DEFEATS

2010: 71 10
2011: 69 15

2 more wins and 5 less defeats. Not a big difference.

FINALS/TITLES

2010: 9 7
2011: 10 3

Major slump here. In 2010, Nadal lost two finals to Federer and Davydenko. In 2011, he lost 6 of the 7 to Djokovic. The other winner was Murray.

WINS/LOSSES TOP10:

2010: 10 5
2011: 15 12

We can say Nadal faced easier drawīs or that the competion was weaker (more upsets, less top ranked players reaching the latter stages), but like the previous data, Djokovicīs presence just ruins Nadalīs record.

UPSETS

2010: 5
2011: 4

It was hard to determine what a upset is. Ferrer was a Top10 in the Australian Open and it was an upset when he eliminated Nadal. So in order to put away what we think or not is an upset, i have put it down to losses against top10 outsiders. But once again, thereīs no big difference.

And finally:

WINS/LOSSES BIG3

2010

Federer: 1 1
Djokovic: 2 0
Murray: 2 2

2011

Federer: 3 1
Djokovic: 0 6
Murray: 4 1

In my believe, this truly shows what really happened in 2011. Djokovic caught Nadalīs number, period. In fact, Nadal improved his h2h record against Federer and Murray in 2011, but simply couldnīt win a match against the Serbian. And when you have to face that unbeatable player in 6 finals, you canīt do much. Thatīs gonna ruin your year.


I dunno if anyone will agree with my view of Nadalīs play throught 2010 and 2011, but i think that these numbers really show the reality of matchups, and that if Nadal gets the upperhand against Federer, then Djokovic got the upperhand against Nadal. Still, if Federer managed to win againt Nadal on grass and hard, the same Nadal wasnīt able to dominate Djokovic neither on clay, grass and hard. And thatīs why some people think Nadal is declining, when in fact he simply faced a player that got his game in check, period.

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In my believe, this truly shows what really happened in 2011. Djokovic caught Nadalīs number, period. In fact, Nadal improved his h2h record against Federer and Murray in 2011, but simply couldnīt win a match against the Serbian. And when you have to face that unbeatable player in 6 finals, you canīt do much. Thatīs gonna ruin your year.
Pretty much. In most of the matches at Wimbledon and USO, Nadal looked as good as ever, especially in the Wimbledon semis where he blew Murray off the court after losing the first set. If not for Novak, this might have been his most successful year ever.

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I think it's a conclusive analysis. Many will disagree with straightforward analysis of data to draw the conclusion, perhaps preferring anecdotal evidence (ie - 'Statistics don't matter, I 'saw' Nadal playing worse). However, I don't think it is plausible to overwhelm such a bulk of data with malleable opinion. Is it more plausible that

A) Nadal level dropped, and everyone elses level dropped (bar Djokovic) as well to ensure his results super similarity, '10 - '11, vs all but one of the field

B) Nadal level remained constant, majority of players level remained constant (ish), Djokovic change was the catalyst for difference in results (almost solely a change in finals against him)

I don't think maintaining option A is plausible in the slightest.

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Nadal wasn't bad at all this year, but he wasn't great either. Although yes, his level was slightly better overall last year but I don't think that's the reason for his results this year, I simply think it's down to someone actually being able to compete with him at a high level on every surface more than anything.
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You musn't forget that Nadal can still blast through most people playing pretty badly (as can, say, Federer, but someone like Murray struggles to do).
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You musn't forget that Nadal can still blast through most people playing pretty badly (as can, say, Federer, but someone like Murray struggles to do).
Nadal can't 'blast through' anyone.

His 2011 form was nothing special whatsoever. The fact he won a slam and was the no 2 player sums up how feeble this era is/or how slow all the courts are.

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Everyone else played awful in 2010. 2008 was Nadal's best year



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a poll would have been hilarious here.

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Of course, Nadal would have best year result wise if not for improved Nole.


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Very good and thorough analysis. It was obvious to me that Nadal's form hadn't dropped so much as Novak's form vastly improved. Rafa would have had his best season ever had it not been for Nole.

Although the Nole/Fed rivalry is much more electric, it's due to their personalities and off-court considerations. The real rivalry this year was Rafa/Nole. I expect a fierce battle for the #1 between these 2 wonderful players in 2012. Lucky us!

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Nole 2.0 is to Rafa what Rafa has been to Roger for the last couple of years. It's all a match-up issue with the Top 3 guys, it's Rock-Paper-Scissors.

Nole 2.0 = Paper
Roger = Scissors
Rafa = Rock

If not for Nole 2.0, Rafa would have won 12 grand slams by now.

The problem for Rafa is that he has finally met someone who can match him shot for shot from the baseline, has a better serve, better stamina, and who now has an extremely high level of self-belief and confidence.

OP, great thread by the way!

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Some say last yearīs Nadal was the best we ever saw. He dominated the competition, winning 3 consecutive slams and 3 Masters Shields. Some say this yearīs Nadal was subpar.

I always had the feeling that Nadalīs level wasnīt really that low and the only thing that changed in the game was Djokovic. Nothing else.

So i compared the so called best Nadal of 2010 with the somewhat subpar Nadal of 2011:


DOHA:

2010

R32 Simone Bolelli (ITA) 93 W 6-3, 6-3
R16 Potito Starace (ITA) 62 W 6-2, 6-2
Q Steve Darcis (BEL) 122 W 6-1, 2-0 RET
S Viktor Troicki (SRB) 29 W 6-1, 6-3
F Nikolay Davydenko (RUS) 6 L 6-0, 6-7(8), 4-6

2011

R32 Karol Beck (SVK) 103 W 6-3, 6-0
R16 Lukas Lacko (SVK) 89 W 7-6(3), 0-6, 6-3
Q Ernests Gulbis (LAT) 24 W 7-6(3), 6-3
S Nikolay Davydenko (RUS) 22 L 3-6, 2-6


Even though 2010īs Nadal reached the final instead of the 2011īs semifinal, he still lost to Davydenko. Nothing new here.


AUSTRALIAN OPEN

2010

R128 Peter Luczak (AUS) 70 W 7-6(0), 6-1, 6-4
R64 Lukas Lacko (SVK) 75 W 6-2, 6-2, 6-2
R32 Philipp Kohlschreiber (GER) 26 W 6-4, 6-2, 2-6, 7-5
R16 Ivo Karlovic (CRO) 39 W 6-4, 4-6, 6-4, 6-4
Q Andy Murray (GBR) 4 L 3-6, 6-7(2), 0-3 RET

2011

R128 Marcos Daniel (BRA) 93 W 6-0, 5-0 RET
R64 Ryan Sweeting (USA) 116 W 6-2, 6-1, 6-1
R32 Bernard Tomic (AUS) 199 W 6-2, 7-5, 6-3
R16 Marin Cilic (CRO) 15 W 6-2, 6-4, 6-3
Q David Ferrer (ESP) 7 L 4-6, 2-6, 3-6


2010īs Nadal had a tougher draw than 2011īs Nadal, but in the end they still fell out short, not reaching the final. Still, 2011īs Nadal had a better finishing pole.


INDIAN WELLS

2010

R128 Bye N/A W
R64 Rainer Schuettler (GER) 90 W 6-4, 6-4
R32 Mario Ancic (CRO) 694 W 6-2, 6-2
R16 John Isner (USA) 20 W 7-5, 3-6, 6-3
Q Tomas Berdych (CZE) 25 W 6-4, 7-6(4)
S Ivan Ljubicic (CRO) 26 L 6-3, 4-6, 6-7(1)

2011

R128 Bye N/A W
R64 Rik De Voest (RSA) 162 W 6-0, 6-2
R32 Ryan Sweeting (USA) 105 W 6-3, 6-1
R16 Somdev Devvarman (IND) 84 W 7-5, 6-4
Q Ivo Karlovic (CRO) 239 W 5-7, 6-1, 7-6(7)
S Juan Martin Del Potro (ARG)90 W 6-4, 6-4
F Novak Djokovic (SRB) 3 L 6-4, 3-6, 2-6


Better result for 2011īs Nadal, but both still had to fight to win their first title of the year.


MIAMI

2010

R128 Bye N/A W
R64 Taylor Dent (USA) 83 W 6-4, 6-3
R32 David Nalbandian (ARG) 161 W 6-7(8), 6-2, 6-2
R16 David Ferrer (ESP) 17 W 7-6(5), 6-4
Q Jo-Wilfried Tsonga (FRA) 10 W 6-3, 6-2
S Andy Roddick (USA) 8 L 6-4, 3-6, 3-6

2011

R128 Bye N/A W
R64 Kei Nishikori (JPN) 62 W 6-4, 6-4
R32 Feliciano Lopez (ESP) 41 W 6-3, 6-3
R16 Alexandr Dolgopolov (UKR) 23 W 6-1, 6-2
Q Tomas Berdych (CZE) 7 W 6-2, 3-6, 6-3
S Roger Federer (SUI) 3 W 6-3, 6-2
F Novak Djokovic (SRB) 2 L 6-4, 3-6, 6-7(4)


Similar results to Indian Wells. Both lost one set until they faced elimination in the semifinal and final respectively.


MONTE CARLO

2010

R64 Bye N/A W
R32 Thiemo de Bakker (NED) 77 W 6-1, 6-0
R16 Michael Berrer (GER) 51 W 6-0, 6-1
Q Juan Carlos Ferrero (ESP) 16 W 6-4, 6-2
S David Ferrer (ESP) 17 W 6-2, 6-3
W Fernando Verdasco (ESP) 12 W 6-0, 6-1

2011

R64 Bye N/A W
R32 Jarkko Nieminen (FIN) 59 W 6-2, 6-2
R16 Richard Gasquet (FRA) 18 W 6-2, 6-4
Q Ivan Ljubicic (CRO) 40 W 6-1, 6-3
S Andy Murray (GBR) 4 W 6-4, 2-6, 6-1
W David Ferrer (ESP) 6 W 6-4, 7-5

Both won their fist title of the year. Only difference in the set lost to Andy Murray in 2011. Nothing important here.


ROME /MADRID

2010

R64 Bye N/A W
R32 Philipp Kohlschreiber (GER) 29 W 6-1, 6-3
R16 Victor Hanescu (ROU) 39 W 6-3, 6-2
Q Stanislas Wawrinka (SUI) 26 W 6-4, 6-1
S Ernests Gulbis (LAT) 40 W 6-4, 3-6, 6-4
W David Ferrer (ESP) 17 W 7-5, 6-2

R64 Bye N/A W
R32 Alexandr Dolgopolov (UKR) 62 W 6-4, 6-3
R16 John Isner (USA) 19 W 7-5, 6-4
Q Gael Monfils (FRA) 18 W 6-1, 6-3
S Nicolas Almagro (ESP) 35 W 4-6, 6-2, 6-2
W Roger Federer (SUI) 1 W 6-4, 7-6(5)

2011

R64 Bye N/A W
R32 Marcos Baghdatis (CYP) 24 W 6-1, 6-3
R16 Juan Martin Del Potro (ARG) 32 W W/O
Q Michael Llodra (FRA) 27 W 6-2, 6-2
S Roger Federer (SUI) 3 W 5-7, 6-1, 6-3
F Novak Djokovic (SRB) 2 L 5-7, 4-6

R64 Bye N/A W
R32 Paolo Lorenzi (ITA) 148 W 6-7(5), 6-4, 6-0
R16 Feliciano Lopez (ESP) 40 W 6-4, 6-2
Q Marin Cilic (CRO) 23 W 6-1, 6-3
S Richard Gasquet (FRA) 16 W 7-5, 6-1
F Novak Djokovic (SRB) 2 L 4-6, 4-6


A pattern starts to emerge. They both lost one set in each tournament. The major difference is Djokovic.


ROLAND GARROS

2010

R128 Gianni Mina (FRA) 655 W 6-2, 6-2, 6-2
R64 Horacio Zeballos (ARG) 44 W 6-2, 6-2, 6-3
R32 Lleyton Hewitt (AUS) 33 W 6-3, 6-4, 6-3
R16 Thomaz Bellucci (BRA) 29 W 6-2, 7-5, 6-4
Q Nicolas Almagro (ESP) 21 W 7-6(2), 7-6(3), 6-4
S Jurgen Melzer (AUT) 27 W 6-2, 6-3, 7-6(6)
W Robin Soderling (SWE) 7 W 6-4, 6-2, 6-4

2011

R128 John Isner (USA) 39 W 6-4, 6-7(2), 6-7(2), 6-2, 6-4
R64 Pablo Andujar (ESP) 48 W 7-5, 6-3, 7-6(4)
R32 Antonio Veic (CRO) 227 W 6-1, 6-3, 6-0
R16 Ivan Ljubicic (CRO) 37 W 7-5, 6-3, 6-3
Q Robin Soderling (SWE) 5 W 6-4, 6-1, 7-6(3)
S Andy Murray (GBR) 4 W 6-4, 7-5, 6-4
W Roger Federer (SUI) 3 W 7-5, 7-6(3), 5-7, 6-1

Both won Roland Garros, but itīs hard to review this tournament, due to the fact that Nadal only faced a Top10 (Soderling), whether 2011īs faced 3 Top10īs (Soderling, Murray and Federer) and Djokovic was out of competition.


QUEENS

2010

R64 Bye N/A W
R32 Marcos Daniel (BRA) 112 W 6-2, 6-2
R16 Denis Istomin (UZB) 72 W 7-6(4), 4-6, 6-4
Q Feliciano Lopez (ESP) 31 L 6-7(5), 4-6

2011

R64 Bye N/A W
R32 Matthew Ebden (AUS) 168 W 6-4, 6-4
R16 Radek Stepanek (CZE) 57 W 6-3, 5-7, 6-1
Q Jo-Wilfried Tsonga (FRA) 19 L 7-6(3), 4-6, 1-6


Upset by Lopez in 2010 and by Tsonga in 2011 in the QF. Nothing new here.


WIMBLEDON

2010

R128 Kei Nishikori (JPN) 189 W 6-2, 6-4, 6-4
R64 Robin Haase (NED) 151 W 5-7, 6-2, 3-6, 6-0, 6-3
R32 Philipp Petzschner (GER) 41 W 6-4, 4-6, 6-7(5), 6-2, 6-3
R16 Paul-Henri Mathieu (FRA) 66 W 6-4, 6-2, 6-2
Q Robin Soderling (SWE) 6 W 3-6, 6-3, 7-6(4), 6-1
S Andy Murray (GBR) 4 W 6-4, 7-6(6), 6-4
W Tomas Berdych (CZE) 13 W 6-3, 7-5, 6-4

2011

R128 Michael Russell (USA) 90 W 6-4, 6-2, 6-2
R64 Ryan Sweeting (USA) 69 W 6-3, 6-2, 6-4
R32 Gilles Muller (LUX) 92 W 7-6(6), 7-6(5), 6-0
R16 Juan Martin Del Potro (ARG) 21 W 7-6(6), 3-6, 7-6(4), 6-4
Q Mardy Fish (USA) 9 W 6-3, 6-3, 5-7, 6-4
S Andy Murray (GBR) 4 W 5-7, 6-2, 6-2, 6-4
F Novak Djokovic (SRB) 2 L 4-6, 1-6, 6-1, 3-6


2010īs Nadal lost more sets than 2011īs (5 to 3), but still managed to win the title. However, 2011īs Nadal lost once again to Djokovic (5th final lost to the Serbian).


Canada /Cincinnati

2010

R64 Bye N/A W
R32 Stanislas Wawrinka (SUI) 24 W 7-6(12), 6-3
R16 Kevin Anderson (RSA) 87 W 6-2, 7-6(6)
Q Philipp Kohlschreiber (GER) 37 W 3-6, 6-3, 6-4
S Andy Murray (GBR) 4 L 3-6, 4-6

R64 Bye N/A W
R32 Taylor Dent (USA) 83 W 6-2, 7-5
R16 Julien Benneteau (FRA) 32 W 5-7, 7-6(6), 6-2
Q Marcos Baghdatis (CYP) 20 L 4-6, 6-4, 4-6

2011

R64 Bye N/A W
R32 Ivan Dodig (CRO) 41 L 6-1, 6-7(5), 6-7(5)

R64 Bye N/A W
R32 Julien Benneteau (FRA) 112 W 6-4, 7-5
R16 Fernando Verdasco (ESP) 21 W 7-6(5), 6-7(4), 7-6(9)
Q Mardy Fish (USA) 7 L 3-6, 4-6

Two early exits at Cincinnati and another one in 2011īs Canada Master, instead of 2010īs reached semifinal. Nadal was still struggling to dominate the hardcourt Masters Series.


US OPEN

2010

R128 Teymuraz Gabashvili (RUS) 93 W 7-6(4), 7-6(4), 6-3
R64 Denis Istomin (UZB) 39 W 6-2, 7-6(5), 7-5
R32 Gilles Simon (FRA) 42 W 6-4, 6-4, 6-2
R16 Feliciano Lopez (ESP) 25 W 6-3, 6-4, 6-4
Q Fernando Verdasco (ESP) 8 W 7-5, 6-3, 6-4
S Mikhail Youzhny (RUS) 14 W 6-2, 6-3, 6-4
W Novak Djokovic (SRB) 3 W 6-4, 5-7, 6-4, 6-2

2011

R128 Andrey Golubev (KAZ) 98 W 6-3, 7-6(1), 7-5
R64 Nicolas Mahut (FRA) 99 W 6-2, 6-2 RET
R32 David Nalbandian (ARG) 76 W 7-6(5), 6-1, 7-5
R16 Gilles Muller (LUX) 68 W 7-6(1), 6-1, 6-2
Q Andy Roddick (USA) 21 W 6-2, 6-1, 6-3
S Andy Murray (GBR) 4 W 6-4, 6-2, 3-6, 6-2
F Novak Djokovic (SRB) 1 L 2-6, 4-6, 7-6(3), 1-6

Easier draw in 2010, but still only one set lost in 2011, compared to 2010īs none. Yet again, he reached a final and was successful, beating in 2010 a somewhat burnout Djokovic but losing in the 6th consecutive time to the Serbian.


TOKYO

2010

R32 Santiago Giraldo (COL) 63 W 6-4, 6-4
R16 Milos Raonic (CAN) 200 W 6-4, 6-4
Q Dmitry Tursunov (RUS) 432 W 6-4, 6-1
S Viktor Troicki (SRB) 54 W 7-6(4), 4-6, 7-6(7)
W Gael Monfils (FRA) 15 W 6-1, 7-5

2011

R32 Go Soeda (JPN) 118 W 6-3, 6-2
R16 Milos Raonic (CAN) 30 W 7-5, 6-3
Q Santiago Giraldo (COL) 53 W 7-6(6), 6-3
S Mardy Fish (USA) 8 W 7-5, 6-1
F Andy Murray (GBR) 4 L 6-3, 2-6, 0-6


Didnīt face a top10 in 2010 and won, losing one set. In 2011, went to battle against a hot-form Murray and lost. Nothing out of unusual.


SHANGHAI

2010

R64 Bye N/A W
R32 Stanislas Wawrinka (SUI) 21 W 6-4, 6-4
R16 Jurgen Melzer (AUT) 12 L 1-6, 6-3, 3-6

2011

R64 Bye N/A W
R32 Guillermo Garcia-Lopez (ESP) 53 W 6-3, 6-2
R16 Florian Mayer (GER) 23 L 6-7(5), 3-6


Another two early exits in the Chinese Masters.


WTF

2010

RR Andy Roddick (USA) 8 W 3-6, 7-6(5), 6-4
RR Novak Djokovic (SRB) 3 W 7-5, 6-2
RR Tomas Berdych (CZE) 6 W 7-6(3), 6-1
S Andy Murray (GBR) 5 W 7-6(5), 3-6, 7-6(6)
F Roger Federer (SUI) 2 L 3-6, 6-3, 1-6

2011

RR Mardy Fish (USA) 8 W 6-2, 3-6, 7-6(3)
RR Roger Federer (SUI) 4 L 3-6, 0-6
RR Jo-Wilfried Tsonga (FRA) 6 L 6-7(2), 6-4, 3-6

Probably the tournament that stands out of the patern of previous ones. 2011īs Nadal didnīt even made it to the semifinalīs, whether 2010īs reached the final. Though both still lost to Federer.



So letīs analyse throughly each year:

WINS/DEFEATS

2010: 71 10
2011: 69 15

2 more wins and 5 less defeats. Not a big difference.

FINALS/TITLES

2010: 9 7
2011: 10 3

Major slump here. In 2010, Nadal lost two finals to Federer and Davydenko. In 2011, he lost 6 of the 7 to Djokovic. The other winner was Murray.

WINS/LOSSES TOP10:

2010: 10 5
2011: 15 12

We can say Nadal faced easier drawīs or that the competion was weaker (more upsets, less top ranked players reaching the latter stages), but like the previous data, Djokovicīs presence just ruins Nadalīs record.

UPSETS

2010: 5
2011: 4

It was hard to determine what a upset is. Ferrer was a Top10 in the Australian Open and it was an upset when he eliminated Nadal. So in order to put away what we think or not is an upset, i have put it down to losses against top10 outsiders. But once again, thereīs no big difference.

And finally:

WINS/LOSSES BIG3

2010

Federer: 1 1
Djokovic: 2 0
Murray: 1 3

2011

Federer: 3 1
Djokovic: 0 6
Murray: 3 1

In my believe, this truly shows what really happened in 2011. Djokovic caught Nadalīs number, period. In fact, Nadal improved his h2h record against Federer and Murray in 2011, but simply couldnīt win a match against the Serbian. And when you have to face that unbeatable player in 6 finals, you canīt do much. Thatīs gonna ruin your year.


I dunno if anyone will agree with my view of Nadalīs play throught 2010 and 2011, but i think that these numbers really show the reality of matchups, and that if Nadal gets the upperhand against Federer, then Djokovic got the upperhand against Nadal. Still, if Federer managed to win againt Nadal on grass and hard, the same Nadal wasnīt able to dominate Djokovic neither on clay, grass and hard. And thatīs why some people think Nadal is declining, when in fact he simply faced a player that got his game in check, period.
Dude. Rafa was 4-1 against Murray this year and 2-2 in 2010
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Nole 2.0 is to Rafa what Rafa has been to Roger for the last couple of years. It's all a match-up issue with the Top 3 guys, it's Rock-Paper-Scissors.

Nole 2.0 = Paper
Roger = Scissors
Rafa = Rock
I don't think this is completely accurate. I would put my money on Nadal beating Federer a majority of the time. Same as I would put my money on Novak beating Rafa a majority of the time (now) but I would place, at best, a 50% chance of Roger beating Novak. Roger isn't the scissor to Novak's paper.
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I don't think this is completely accurate. I would put my money on Nadal beating Federer a majority of the time. Same as I would put my money on Novak beating Rafa a majority of the time (now) but I would place, at best, a 50% chance of Roger beating Novak. Roger isn't the scissor to Novak's paper.
Precisely. This analogy of paper, rock, scissors started this year, when it was clear that Novak had got Rafa's number. But let's see whether the results justify this comparison:

In 2011, Roger beat Nole 1/5 times. 20%. Rafa beat Roger 3/4 times. 75%. Nole beat Rafa 6/6 times. 100%.

20%? That's not scissor to paper, in my opinion.

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