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View Poll Results: Will Murray get Better of Nadal in 2012?
Yes Murray CAN do it 21 38.89%
Depends 7 12.96%
Nadal will maintain Status Quo 22 40.74%
No Possibility as Nadal will retire in 2012 after another string of defeats by Djokovic. 4 7.41%
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post #1 of 59 (permalink) Old 12-23-2011, 05:50 AM Thread Starter
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Murray Nadal Rivalry- New Dimension in 2012?

I think Murray will over turn the lopsided H2H against Nadal.

The Reasons

The Bagel in Bangkok... Yes Murray completely outplayed Nadal.. In fact he whipped him like a Cake on the Court.And there was no injuries Nadal had as he was playing at his Best in the first Set.


Nadal has finally been worked out by Djokovic,Murray,Florian Mayer,Dodig,Federer... You name it.


I think Murray will beat Nadal more times than not in 2012. Its gonna be a monumental Year
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Re: Murray Nadal Rivalry- New Dimension in 2012?

This thread is not jumping the gun by any means.

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Re: Murray Nadal Rivalry- New Dimension in 2012?

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I think Murray will over turn the lopsided H2H against Nadal.

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The Bagel in Bangkok... Yes Murray completely outplayed Nadal.. In fact he whipped him like a Cake on the Court.And there was no injuries Nadal had as he was playing at his Best in the first Set.


Nadal has finally been worked out by Djokovic,Murray,Florian Mayer,Dodig,Federer... You name it.


I think Murray will beat Nadal more times than not in 2012. Its gonna be a monumental Year
Define worked out? Other than Novak I dont think anyone has beaten his ass consistently this year.
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Re: Murray Nadal Rivalry- New Dimension in 2012?

Asian swing - the purple patch of Murray's carrer
Cant see him repeating it, let alone the possibility of beating Nadal
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Re: Murray Nadal Rivalry- New Dimension in 2012?

A new dimension would be for there to actually be a rivalry between these two. I don´t think Nadal really cares about the asian swing that much...
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Re: Murray Nadal Rivalry- New Dimension in 2012?

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This thread is not jumping the gun by any means.
Just a Prediction.


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Define worked out? Other than Novak I dont think anyone has beaten his ass consistently this year.

That matters because Nadal lost his confidence a lot after that.. Its no surprise that he was defeated by so many After Djokovic did him and its no surprise either he stated he has lost his passion.


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Asian swing - the purple patch of Murray's carrer
Cant see him repeating it, let alone the possibility of beating Nadal

If he didnt care why was he there in the first place... Victory is different and defeating by a Bagel is different. He got a BAGEl
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Re: Murray Nadal Rivalry- New Dimension in 2012?

No. Murray hasnt proved himself as being able to consistently meet and beat the best at the Slams. The two times he beat Nadal in a slam, he collapsed against Federer. There is no indication the same wont happen. Nadal is the ultimate big match player. Rafa wont have an inch, you have to wrstle it from him.

And anyway, the best I see him doing is going 1-2 against Rafa in a slam in a calender year. Andy just doesnt seem to have the head, the Wimbledon collapse was unbelievable and indicates no improvement to me.

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No. Murray hasnt proved himself as being able to consistently meet and beat the best at the Slams. The two times he beat Nadal in a slam, he collapsed against Federer. There is no indication the same wont happen. Nadal is the ultimate big match player. Rafa wont have an inch, you have to wrstle it from him.

And anyway, the best I see him doing is going 1-2 against Rafa in a slam in a calender year. Andy just doesnt seem to have the head, the Wimbledon collapse was unbelievable and indicates no improvement to me.

Rafa is going Downhill...
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Re: Murray Nadal Rivalry- New Dimension in 2012?

No such thing as a rivalry when one of the guys can't even manage to win a slam
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Re: Murray Nadal Rivalry- New Dimension in 2012?

Andy needs to win a Slam first. Against any opponent. Otherwise it's at the Tsonga-Berdych rivalry, nothing too thrilling I mean. Sorry.

I believe in Masters events Andy could dominate if he simply can get more consistent (which I expect from him to achieve after all). But the slams would matter more anyway.

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Re: Murray Nadal Rivalry- New Dimension in 2012?

Andy needs a slam first .This is secondary
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Yeah and Fed has rivalry with Canas
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No such thing as a rivalry when one of the guys can't even manage to win a slam
no sets won in a slam final
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Re: Murray Nadal Rivalry- New Dimension in 2012?

That is restrictive and stagnant thinking if you guys feel that just because in the past Nadal dominated Murray it will happen the same in future. The Dynamics has changed and it is going to show soon.
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Re: Murray Nadal Rivalry- New Dimension in 2012?

Not on clay, though.

But at Wimbledon and the USO, Murray should have beaten Nadal this year.

Maybe next year Murray beats Nadal at slams other than RG.
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