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View Poll Results: How great is Djokovic historically as things stand now?
At least as great as Nadal/Lendl/Agassi - Whoops Federer and Nadal so is worthy... 7 9.86%
At the level of Edberg/Wilander/Newcombe 18 25.35%
In between Edberg et al and Vilas/Năstase/Kuerten/Courier 27 38.03%
In the sphere of Vilas/Năstase/Kuerten/Courier 19 26.76%
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Djokovic's full 2011 REVIEW

Part One
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Part Two
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Novak Djokovic's 2011 was one of the best seasons in Tennis history (specifically the Open Era). Where does his legendary season place him among the pantheon of greats?

Here is a list of elite titles won by players mainly from Open Era (naturally just an estimation, I don't know enough about tennis history to be completely reputable):

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Federer   22      (16 Slams6 Year-end Championship equivalents)
Sampras   21      (14 7)
Lendl     15      (7)
McEnroe   15      (8)
Borg      14      (113
Nadal     11      (101 Olympic Gold)
Connors   11      (3)
Becker    10      (4)
Agassi    10      (1)
Newcombe  8       (1)
Edberg    7       (1)
Wilander  7       (7)
Nastase   6       (4)
Djokovic  5       (1)
Vilas     5       (1)
Ashe      4       (1)
Courier   4       (4)
Kuerten   4       (1)
Murray    
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Rosewall - 25 + (not including probably lots of YEC wins or tournaments of equal prestige - but includes 2 WCT Finals wins which were both over Rod Laver)
Laver 19+ (not including probably lots of YEC wins or if not, then tournaments of equal prestige)


Reason? Didn't always partake in the same Slam equivalent tournaments due to being on different tours for a few years and, even when both on the same tour for several years, still a divide existed between two alternative tours (implications are obvious. I am not the type to spell them out).


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This is based on Slams and Year-end Championship tournaments containing only the cream of the crop (Oh, and Olympic Gold). Winning these tournaments generally takes an incredibly high level of play and requires victory over an elite field.

Please, those who have a greater insight into the status of tournaments at certain times, feel free to give alternative numbers for these players.''[/QUOTE]

Where does Djokovic Stand?

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I find it strange that Murray is on the list.
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objectively i would say he is up there with the likes of kevin curran and tim mayotte after you factor in Strength of Era (SoE) quotient... needs to have a good 2012 to stick his nose above todd martin...

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objectively i would say he is up there with the likes of kevin curran and tim mayotte after you factor in Strength of Era (SoE) quotient... needs to have a good 2012 to stick his nose above todd martin...

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Some valid points, agree wholeheartedly, any chance of shoving John Lloyd into that bracket as well? Get back to me.
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djokovic is already a legend, and why is murray in the list, im just curious
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Re: Djokovic's current place in history as it stands 'right now'

I've got him at #31 all time, just ahead of Nastase.

He is #17 in the Open Era.

As it stands right now, of course.

If he wins 2 slams next year plus few TMS, MM events, he could get up there with 6 slams with Becker and Edberg, around #24 all time, and top 10 of the Open Era.

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djokovic is already a legend, and why is murray in the list, im just curious
OK OK. I'll admit I'm being cruel to include Murray in that list...


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I've got him at #31 all time, just ahead of Nastase.

He is #17 in the Open Era.

As it stands right now, of course.

If he wins 2 slams next year plus few TMS, MM events, he could get up there with 6 slams with Becker and Edberg, around #24 all time, and top 10 of the Open Era.
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OK OK. I'll admit I'm being cruel to include Murray in that list...
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objectively i would say he is up there with the likes of kevin curran and tim mayotte after you factor in Strength of Era (SoE) quotient... needs to have a good 2012 to stick his nose above todd martin...

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Where is his fan girl to tell us he is best ever?

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Do you mean to tell me that of all the names on that list, only Nadal and Agassi have won olympic Gold?

Andy Murray, Roger Federer, Stan Wawrinka, Feliciano Lopez, Jo-Wilfried Tsonga

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Top 20 open era for me.

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But he lost 23 times against you.
's right. We have to also throw into the mix. But I do not think it is currently the decisive factor. But he has achieved in my opinion too much. Maybe this is crucial if I move him even closer after major victories. But 14 or 17 Grand Slam titles is a significant difference. At the present time there is no question that he must be the greater player than me.

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Do you mean to tell me that of all the names on that list, only Nadal and Agassi have won olympic Gold?
Yeah. They started playing it again only in 1988 & it's widely regarded as a Mickey Mouse event in tennis, which is why the illustrious roll-call of winners includes such luminaries as Nicolas Massu.

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