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Roger has won 22 elite singles tournies; Rafa 11; Novak 5; Sampras 21...

Federer has won 22 elite singles tournaments now in his career, which is very impressive.

By comparison:

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Federer   22      (16 Slams6 Year-end Championship equivalents)
Sampras   19      (14 5)
Lendl     15      (7)
McEnroe   15      (8)
Borg      14      (113
Nadal     11      (101 Olympic Gold)
Connors   11      (3)
Becker    10      (4)
Agassi    10      (1)
Newcombe  8       (1)
Edberg    7       (1)
Wilander  7       (7)
Djokovic  5       (1)
Courier   4       (4)
Kuerten   4       (1)
Murray    
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More contentious:

Rosewall - 25 + (not including probably lots of YEC wins - but includes 2 WCT Finals wins which were both over Rod Laver)
Laver 19+ (not including probably lots of YEC wins)


Reason? Didn't always partake in the same Slam equivalent tournaments due to being on different tours for a few years and, even when both on the same tour for several years, still a divide existed between two alternative tours (implications are obvious. I am not the type to spell them out).

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This is based on Slams and Year-end Championship tournaments containing only the cream of the crop (Oh, and Olympic Gold). Winning these tournaments generally takes an incredibly high level of play and requires victory over an elite field.

Please, those who have a greater insight into the status of tournaments at certain times, feel free to give alternative numbers for these players.

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Re: Roger has won 22 elite singles tournies; Rafa 11; Novak 5; Sampras 21...

Wow... Those numbers are so amazing.
I mean, we all know those numbers... And we all know Fed's titles, but... Come on! It's so f*n cool.

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Re: Roger has won 22 elite singles tournies; Rafa 11; Novak 5; Sampras 21...

I don't know all this info about what tournaments should be considered as an equal in terms of quality and/or prestige to Slams or YEC's so if those who have a greater knowledge of past times can chime in and argue why some of these numbers should be (likely) raised or lowered then please do so. I'm sure Connor's count is probably low for reasons I am unsure of right now, though obviously I realise he boycotted the French for a few years and didn't take the AO seriously.
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Re: Roger has won 22 elite singles tournies; Rafa 11; Novak 5; Sampras 21...

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Federer has won 22 elite singles tournaments now in his career, which is very impressive.

By comparison:

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Sampras 21        (14 Slams7 Year-end Championship equivalents)
Lendl 15          (7)
McEnroe 15        (8)
Borg 14           (113
Connors 11        (3)
Nadal 11          (101 Olympic Gold)
Becker 10         (4)
Agassi 10         (1)
Newcombe 8        (1)
Edberg 7          (1)
Wilander 7        (7)
Djokovic 5        (1)
Courier 4         (4)
Kuerten 4         (1)
Murray 
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Rosewall - 25 + (not including probably lots of YEC wins - but includes 2 WCT Finals wins which were both over Rod Laver)
Laver 19+ (not including probably lots of YEC wins)


Reason? Didn't always partake in the same Slam equivalent tournaments due to being on different tours for a few years and, even when both on the same tour for several years, still a divide existed between two alternative tours (implications are obvious. I am not the type to spell them out).

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This is based on Slams and Year-end Championship tournaments containing only the cream of the crop (Oh, and Olympic Gold). Winning these tournaments generally takes an incredibly high level of play and requires victory over an elite field.

Please, those who have a greater insight into the status of tournaments at certain times, feel free to give alternative numbers for these players.
How Sampras has 7 year end Championships? when he has only won 5?..

A service notice for Pete..

Little FEDERER, Roger (SUI) Versus Defending Wimbledon Champ Pete SAMPRAS (USA)
Year Tournament Round Surface Winner Score
2001 Wimbledon 16 Grass (O) R.FEDERER 7-6(7) 5-7 6-4 6-7(2) 7-5


Does he really believes this is the same Federer of then?
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Re: Roger has won 22 elite singles tournies; Rafa 11; Novak 5; Sampras 21...

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How Sampras has 7 year end Championships? when he has only won 5?..
He also won 2 Grand Slam Cups, which was a tournament that invited those who performed the best in the Slams that year to compete against each other in an elite tournament. I don't really know so well if these are worthy of recognition or not, so I'm waiting for those who remember the times more clearly to chime in with their wisdom and ideas.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Slam_Cup#Men_2

Some years are maybe questionable. 1992 is impressive, Stich won the tournament by beating Edberg, Krajicek (in best of 3's), Sampras and Chang (in best of 5's).
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How Sampras has 7 year end Championships? when he has only won 5?..
Probably stole 2 from fed.
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Re: Roger has won 22 elite singles tournies; Rafa 11; Novak 5; Sampras 21...

Good idea for a thread. We probably need Echoes to give us some input here - he's an expert on the status of tournaments on the pro and early Open-era tours. Not sure how many YECs were available to Laver, Rosewall et al in the pro years but if you're counting their pro slams, with small but elite draws, it seems right to count YECs for more recent players.

Figures need to be done for Richard Gonzales, & maybe Budge & Tilden too.

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Re: Roger has won 22 elite singles tournies; Rafa 11; Novak 5; Sampras 21...

Wait, what? Nadull has won 10 Slams already? that's depressing
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If grand slam cup was an elite singles tournament you might as well count Abu Dhabi.

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Re: Roger has won 22 elite singles tournies; Rafa 11; Novak 5; Sampras 21...

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He also won 2 Grand Slam Cups, which was a tournament that invited those who performed the best in the Slams that year to compete against each other in an elite tournament. I don't really know so well if these are worthy of recognition or not, so I'm waiting for those who remember the times more clearly to chime in with their wisdom and ideas.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Slam_Cup#Men_2

Some years are maybe questionable. 1992 is impressive, Stich won the tournament by beating Edberg, Krajicek (in best of 3's), Sampras and Chang (in best of 5's).
That was an exhibition event, awarded no points. Really funny if you try to count an event like that

I would give you the thumbs up by counting the Olympics, as it is as big event in tennis, but it really is worldwide. But counting the grand slam cup is really ridiculous.

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Little FEDERER, Roger (SUI) Versus Defending Wimbledon Champ Pete SAMPRAS (USA)
Year Tournament Round Surface Winner Score
2001 Wimbledon 16 Grass (O) R.FEDERER 7-6(7) 5-7 6-4 6-7(2) 7-5


Does he really believes this is the same Federer of then?
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Re: Roger has won 22 elite singles tournies; Rafa 11; Novak 5; Sampras 21...

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He also won 2 Grand Slam Cups, which was a tournament that invited those who performed the best in the Slams that year to compete against each other in an elite tournament. I don't really know so well if these are worthy of recognition or not, so I'm waiting for those who remember the times more clearly to chime in with their wisdom and ideas.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Slam_Cup#Men_2

Some years are maybe questionable. 1992 is impressive, Stich won the tournament by beating Edberg, Krajicek (in best of 3's), Sampras and Chang (in best of 5's).
Counting the Grand Slam cup gives players an unfair advantage. It means there were 6 elite titles to be won every year, compared to 5 now.

I seem to believe the GS cup wasn't very heavily contested either.

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we all waiting for SetSampras's words of wisdom . He'll count GS Cup as Golden Slam

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Re: Roger has won 22 elite singles tournies; Rafa 11; Novak 5; Sampras 21...

I am listening and respecting the comments that have come in so far, and I will edit my opening post but I'd just like to wait for a few more opinions to come in.
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Re: Roger has won 22 elite singles tournies; Rafa 11; Novak 5; Sampras 21...

Laver has won 199 titles to Fed's measily 70. ROFL.. This is fun. Baiting me are you?
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