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I think 3 WTF titles is as good achievement as winning a slam 13 41.94%
2 back to back is as good as any slam achievement 6 19.35%
If you have won 5 or more, id say thats worth 2 extra slams 9 29.03%
They are worth MORE than a slam, they harder to win 3 9.68%
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How many WTF/TMC titles is a slam worth?

Players A and B end their careers with 13 and 12 slams respectively, but player B managed to win 3 WTF crowns, player A zero, have they had equal careers?

In other words, how many slams is the 5th slam worth?

Would you trade a slam if you had 15 of them, for 3 WTF crowns?

If say 2 GOATS finished on the same slam total, or one had one less, and all other crowns were pretty even, similar weeks at no 1 etc, but the one with one less slam has won 5 WTF crowns and the other none, has he by default had the better career?

Discuss.

We know the WTF is worth less than a slam, but more than any others masters title.

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Re: How many WTF/TMC titles is a slam worth?

I think a slam is worth about 2 TMCs. It is the reason I have Lendl ahead of Nadal in all time lists, it could be called the indoor tennis slam and not aknowledging this one is like saying the 2 months of indoor tennis we have in the end of the season is worthless, which it is not.

Tennis is about adapting to different conditions, indoor tennis is one important condition players need to be able to adapt.

Yeah and around 3 RUs, 7 master series or 25 "normal" titles should be worth a slam aswell. I think people put too much value on slam counts.

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Re: How many WTF/TMC titles is a slam worth?

masters are never as good as winning slams

WTF is lower than a slam, but a calender GS will lose its shine if you dont also win the WTF

a MS is not comparable to a slam
the WTF is like a 1/2 slam imo

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Re: How many WTF/TMC titles is a slam worth?

1 slam = 2 wtf > 4 masters 1000
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Re: How many WTF/TMC titles is a slam worth?

Problem with master 1000s is that it gets difficult to compare with the old champions before master 1000s existed. TMC however existed since the beginning of open era.

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Re: How many WTF/TMC titles is a slam worth?

nothing ....that is why Slam is Slam
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Re: How many WTF/TMC titles is a slam worth?

You can not compare. They are obviously not easy to win. It's like comparing winning 5 or 10 master series titles to a slam.
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Re: How many WTF/TMC titles is a slam worth?

It's never going to have the equal value. You'll never hear people say Federer has as good as 19 slams because he has 6 TMC's. But achievement wise, it's pretty up there to win a TMC considering you're meeting the best 8 players of the year, and you're not going to be meeting unseeded qualifiers or players ranked outside the top 10 as it often is before slams before the QF/SF. You can even win a slam without meeting a top 10 player once but with TMC, that won't cut it. It's a shame that TMC seemingly is not given as much weight as a slam considering it's probably a lot harder to win.

I think achievement wise, I'd give it 2 TMCs = 1 slam... but in the real world, no amount of TMCs could equal a slam win sadly.
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Re: How many WTF/TMC titles is a slam worth?

1970 laver won 5 master shields

or the super 9 equivilent

he didnt win a slam that year- but was considered world number 1 by some people

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Re: How many WTF/TMC titles is a slam worth?

IMO, 2 WTF/TMC titles = 1 slam.

The only reason WTF/TMC is not as prestigious/valuable as a slam because it is played as best of 3 instead of best of 5.

In my opinion, however, i do believe that a WTF/TMC is just as valuable as a slam is. Although it is best of 3... you have to play the top players of the world in order to win it.
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On another note... the reaction from federer today after he beat tsonga says it ALL IMO.
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Re: How many WTF/TMC titles is a slam worth?

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1970 laver won 5 master shields

or the super 9 equivilent
Very different than winning a master series, even in the 80's when Lendl won so many. They were not mandatory, all the top players did not play like they do now.
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Re: How many WTF/TMC titles is a slam worth?

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Problem with master 1000s is that it gets difficult to compare with the old champions before master 1000s existed. TMC however existed since the beginning of open era.
another reason not to do it at all
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Re: How many WTF/TMC titles is a slam worth?

OP sounds like a Fedtard getting the excuses ready in case Nadal finishes with 16 slams xD

I feel like 2 WTFs = 1 slam, BUT, winning the WTF undefeated is almost as good as a slam.
The main reason (besides 3 sets) that I think WTF is valued less than a slam is that you can lose a match and still win the tourney. So those who win undefeated are showing they can consistently beat the top 8 players.
Most WTF draws for the winner are much tougher than a few GS draws in the last couple of years that could be mentioned....
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Re: How many WTF/TMC titles is a slam worth?

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Problem with master 1000s is that it gets difficult to compare with the old champions before master 1000s existed. TMC however existed since the beginning of open era.
Used to be the Grand Prix Tennis Championship Series which is like the Masters to some degree.

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