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View Poll Results: What should federer improve during off season that would most help him for 2012 AO?
Movement/reflexes 5 5.62%
Endurance 7 7.87%
Mental Focus 48 53.93%
Backhand 7 7.87%
Return of Serve 14 15.73%
Needs to lose weight/gain muscle 2 2.25%
get rid of annacone 0 0%
get more aces on serve 6 6.74%
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Re: What does federer need to work on before AO 2012 to maximize slam chance?

Focus really and possibly a more rigorous training plan for the weeks leading up.

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I honestly don't think Brown has much of a chance at all, think he might get a set at best though.
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I think he actually needs to improve his endurance, more endurance = better mental focus later on in matches.
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His age. Need find potion of youth.
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Mental focus by far. One single ace and he'd have been in the Us Open final. Novak hits a great forehand, okay shake it off and hit an ace down the middle on your better serving side like you did in Paris.
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Mental focus by far. One single ace and he'd have been in the Us Open final. Novak hits a great forehand, okay shake it off and hit an ace down the middle on your better serving side like you did in Paris.
i dont think he has many regrets over that one. in a way djokovic saved federer from completing the lost-finals-to-nadal Grand Slam.

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Hope that Rafa, Andy and especially Novak are not 100%. Only way he could win. If Novak gets rested and healthy on that court, Federer can do whatever he wants, it will not matter.
On the contrary, I believe Roger would love nothing better than to beat any of the trio above when they are at their best. If anything, playing players that are less than their best or not equal to the task appears to bore him and he often looks for ways to make matches more challenging, hence his apparent lapses in concentration when ahead, especially in the more recent past. However, when Roger is playing at his best, no one can beat him, and he is virtually unplayable.

To quote the great Rafael Nadal after his last match against Roger at the WTF:
'I accept he played at a very, very top level,' he said. 'Something very special only one player like Roger can arrive at. So I'll accept that and keep fighting.' '...In these conditions he can attack better than on other surfaces. But if he plays like this in the other surfaces he will still beat me. That is true.'

I've watched the full WTF 2011 Federer-Nadal match again twice to objectively (hopefully) glean two things. Which factors contributed the most to Roger's high level of play, and was Rafa's play really sub-par or not?

Starting with the second item first, I've concluded that Rafa did not appear to be sub-par. Physically, he said he "felt perfect". In some key statistics, he made a relatively high percentage of first serves (73% to Roger's 67%). He also made a total only 7 unforced errors (Roger had 8, 5 in the first set). Rafa was not beating himself. However, the most glaring statistic in my opinion was that Roger hit 28 winners to Rafa's 4. Roger's execution was phenomenal on this day and this more than anything else was the reason for the outcome. To the casual observer, it may have appeared that Rafa was sub-par, perhaps because several of his returns were rather short or he wasn't getting to the ball in time, but I think a more astute appraisal would be that Roger forced Rafa to hit shorter than usual due to the strength and placement of his attack, also making it difficult for Rafa to get to the ball and hit more aggressive shots. For Rafa, there were no excuses and he intimated as much as quoted above. He was simply outplayed on this day due to Roger's excellence in execution.

Now, as far as Roger goes, what were the key factors that contributed to his success on this day, and what can he use for that in the future?

1. It starts with his serve. Continuing to serve well gives him confidence and reassurance that whatever else may not be working well, he can rely on his service games to keep him in the match. Over 60% first serves will do, the closer it gets to 70%, obviously, the easier it gets for him.

2. Vary his shots and placement against the top players. Nole and Rafa thrive on pace, especially if it is unchanging. Against Rafa at WTF, Roger played varied shots, especially early in points, medium slice to Rafa's backhand and more severe slices to his forehand, intermixed with topspin returns at a medium pace, with strategic placement to set himself up for his more powerful topspin returns for winners. Now saying this is all well and good, but executing it match after match, or even set after set is another. For that, he also needs the next element.

3. He must maintain focus and go for the kill at first opportunity as he did against Rafa in their last match. He must not let up once gaining the advantage, even if it seems to him as if he can coast, giving the fans more tennis. After going ahead rather easily, does he perhaps subconsciously want a greater challenge and "goes on walkabout" for a few games?

Observe his own words after his championship victory at the WTF final with Tsonga:
"Could I have won it easier? I guess. I had it in my hands. I had a chance to go a double break in the second [set]. I had chances to serve it out. I had chances in the tie-breaker. Yeah, it wasn't meant to be. But if I would have served it [the second set] out, it would have been over in a hurry. I think I almost felt the spectators weren't quite ready for it to end quite yet. Although many would have been happy for me, they would have loved to see more tennis. I had to go through the third set, which was tough, but eventually I made it, which felt probably even better going through three sets. "

After the US open loss to Djokovic:

After losing a 2-0 set lead to go to the 5th set and being up a break, serving with two match points,
"Sure, it’s disappointing, but I have only myself to blame... It’s just one of those matches, you know. I mean, I set it all up perfect, but I couldn’t finish it."

Finally, Roger Federer is human. He can't be expected to have a super performance every time he steps on the court. But when he does have it, it is a wonder to watch, and I'm thankful for being able to see tennis played at this level. Also thankfully in this era, as in others, there are many other players with varying games able to lift their game to a high level as well, and we the fans get to enjoy it all.

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Hope that Rafa, Andy and especially Novak are not 100%. Only way he could win. If Novak gets rested and healthy on that court, Federer can do whatever he wants, it will not matter.
bullshits like always.

novak rested and healthy was defeated by federer in rg.

nadull with a injuried and tired nole was owned by him.
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I think that Roger is hiding his chronic back injury very good.
If anyone compared his serve today and let's say 4 years ago ,the results would be obvious.
There is a decrease of the speed of the 1st serve.
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I think that Roger is hiding his chronic back injury very good.
If anyone compared his serve today and let's say 4 years ago ,the results would be obvious.
There is a decrease of the speed of the 1st serve.
I don´t think it´s the back. He´s taken away some of his 1st serve speed, because against Nadal and Djokovic he certainly doesn´t want to start the points with a 2nd serve. So he´s taken some speed off in order to increase his 1st serve %. That´s what I think, at least.
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On the contrary, I believe Roger would love nothing better than to beat any of the trio above when they are at their best. If anything, playing players that are less than their best or not equal to the task appears to bore him and he often looks for ways to make matches more challenging, hence his apparent lapses in concentration when ahead, especially in the more recent past. However, when Roger is playing at his best, no one can beat him, and he is virtually unplayable.
If anyone would start and continue their participations on MTF with such reasonable, analytical posts, it would be quite boring here... Nice analysis and I'm happy that such intelligent and not hateful posters are coming here nowadays.

Congrats, for the entire post, not only for the cited part. My reaction would have been the same if your analysis would have been Djokovic or Rafa-related...

Q. Do you think you would have been able to play as well as you played today, or you think you would have pulled out from the game if it wasn't the Masters Cup final?

ROGER FEDERER: No, Roger Federer doesn't pull out. Otherwise he doesn't walk on court (smiling).


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bullshits like always.

novak rested and healthy was defeated by federer in rg.

nadull with a injuried and tired nole was owned by him.
It was clay you mug .....Novak at the AO fit and rested is unbeatable on that slow hard court
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It was clay you mug .....Novak at the AO fit and rested is unbeatable on that slow hard court
i hope someone puts this quotes in your face when djokomug loses in AO 2012. I'd save the quote myself if i weren't so damn lazy about these things

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His backhand has been very good ever since Rolland Garros.

He needs to improve:

Fitness levels and Return of Serve.

His returns are not very good atm, so he definitely needs to improve in that department.
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