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Federer vs. the 90s

A lot of people, especially Fed haters, are arguing here that Fed achieved all those records especially due to a void of big champions during his prime. The phrase before is a non sequitur per se (how can anyone else establish and prove himself as a champion when there's a guy ammasing all the big trophies?) imho, but I will try to make a small statistics of how Federer managed to play against the giants of the era before him. And I am not talking about the likes of Hewitt, Safin, Roddick and so on, who, at least results-wise, apparently played a little bit better before Roger's peak. I am referring to the 90s slam winners/finalists. Let's see:

Federer - Michael Chang 4-1
Federer - Pat Rafter 0-3
Federer - Sampras 1-0
Federer - Agassi 8-3
Federer - Ivanisevic 2-0
Federer - Rusedski 4-1
Federer - Kafelnikov 2-4
Federer - Pioline 1-0
Federer - Moya 7-0
Federer - Enqvist 1-3
Federer - Magnus Norman 1-0
Federer - Krajicek 2-0
Federer - Alex Corretja 2-3
Federer - Andrei Medvedev 0-1
Federer - Philippoussis 4-1

So, how do you assess Roger's results vs. a big part of the players that made the 90s such a "strong era"? Does it bear any significance over the view that the 90s were a stronger era than Roger's peak years?

Q. Do you think you would have been able to play as well as you played today, or you think you would have pulled out from the game if it wasn't the Masters Cup final?

ROGER FEDERER: No, Roger Federer doesn't pull out. Otherwise he doesn't walk on court (smiling).


After losing to Nalbandian in 2005 TMC final...

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Re: Federer vs. the 90s

Olderer would have had a positive W/L % against everyone in the 90's because it was a mug era.
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Re: Federer vs. the 90s

Out of all the guys today, I think Fed would fair the most well in say the 90s and early 00s.. 16 slams though?? No way.

Grass: Pete would still be victorious.. Fed would get a few Pete was the man on grass in his prime. It was perfect for his game there And you have some other guys around at the time (Kraijeck, GOran, Andre, Rafter, Becker, etc).. 6 wimbledon titles for Fed here? No way. The grass field was WAY superior back then.

AO- Fed would be the man here, though you got Andre who was himself an AO GOAT candidate. Pete got 2 AO titles in that time period so that would be interesting and a few others like Courier etc. Though Fed would probably come out on top. The court suits his game real well

French Open: Ahh.. You don't have a Nadal but you have many more threats (Courier, Bruguera, Andre, Kafelnikov,Muster Guga later on) Fed would get a few but wouldn't dominate clay.

USO) You got Sampras with the homecrowd advantage, you got Andre who was pretty awesome there ( Straight setted Roger back in 2001, and took him 5 sets at 34 years of age in 04 and played him tough in 05 with a bad back) , you got Rafter later on. Fed would win some USO titles but not as many as he has now.

Indoors: You got Sampras, Becker, Edberg early on, Dre a few times. Fed grabs some but not nearly the amount he has now under this JOKE indoor era full of pushers, defenders, non aggressive attackers etc.


Overrall.. Fed doesn't dominate as he did in the 00's but the landscape probably looks like it did in the 80s with all time greats taking slams from each other. Fed, Sampras, Andre would ALL be getting their piece of the pie. Guys like Courier, Bruguera, Guga, 95 Muster, and some others just below may steal a few from the top as well.

Just speculation.. But thats how I always felt it would have gone. The 90s would have been a duplicate of the 80s. And provided some of all the all time best classic matches and rivalries in HISTORY.. Bar none


An era for great rivlaries and all time greats.. Unfortunately,. the problem here is that Dre's, Pete's and Roger's achievements would have been LESS)

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Just speculation.. But thats how I always felt it would have gone. The 90s would have been a duplicate of the 80s. And provided some of all the all time best classic matches and rivalries in HISTORY.. Bar none

Unfortunately,. the problem here is that Dre's, Pete's and Roger's achievements would have been LESS)
Nice assessment. I'd love to see the 90s surfaces resurected for only a year (let's say 2012). I wonder who would end up as no.1 next year ...

Q. Do you think you would have been able to play as well as you played today, or you think you would have pulled out from the game if it wasn't the Masters Cup final?

ROGER FEDERER: No, Roger Federer doesn't pull out. Otherwise he doesn't walk on court (smiling).


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Re: Federer vs. the 90s

And yeah, I forgot to mention that Federer is 1-2 vs. Guga...

Q. Do you think you would have been able to play as well as you played today, or you think you would have pulled out from the game if it wasn't the Masters Cup final?

ROGER FEDERER: No, Roger Federer doesn't pull out. Otherwise he doesn't walk on court (smiling).


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Nice assessment. I'd love to see the 90s surfaces resurected for only a year (let's say 2012). I wonder who would end up as no.1 next year ...
Certainly not Djoker or Nadal IMO
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Federer would dominate the 90s IMO.
other than sampras on the fastest surfaces (Grass, USO), i don't see anyone stopping fed. Fed would win 4 aussies... win 3-4 Fo's...

USO's, i guess its a toss-up between sampras and fed... but i like feds chances vs sampras at fast USO courts. 60-40 FED.

On fast grass... pete is the man...
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The classic what if scenario, it must be off season already.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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Dominating on one surface ( slower rebound ace AO) isn't as exactly dominating the whole tour.. Fed doesn't see the same dominance on grass, USO, Indoors in the 90s as he does today.. He sees success but not "overrall dominant" success every year every tournament that he has saw from 04-on for almost year in year out. There would be issues on all the surfaces.. GREATER issues then he saw from 04-08 or 09


Sampras, Becker, Edberg ( early on),Agassi, some of the other classic grass court or hardcourt attackers aint exactly like shooting fish in a barrel and dominating Roddick, hewitt, Davydenko,Baghaditis, Gonzales, Murray, Fish, Tsonga or freakin James BLAKE etc.

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Re: Federer vs. the 90s

Federer would be great in any era, RG wouldn't happen unless things went his way like they did for Agassi, then again who really knows.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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Federer would be great in any era, RG wouldn't happen unless things went his way like they did for Agassi, then again who really knows.
This has got to be a joke? Federer is a 1 time rg champion and 4 TIME FINALIST.

He would EASILY win several (i am betting 3-4) rg's in any other era. Nadal was his problem... not clay.
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Re: Federer vs. the 90s

In the nineties, Federer would have won every Grand Slam at least 3 times.

17 (yes, yes, yes!) Slams! And counting....
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Very hard question honestly as Federer may not even have the same game as we all know he was serving and volleying quite a bit on grass early on his career, though he did still have a very talented ground game.

Who knows how his game would have evolved and how it would have affected with his clay game.

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Listen pete was amazing on grass but so is roger and 90s grass would have suited fed's game even more. Don't forget fed has an incredible serve and a great second serve. Yes, it's not sampras level serving but I would argue with fed's wicked slice and ground skills plus volleying ability he would be just as difficult to break with his cat like movement to suit on fast grass.

Federer was incredible at his peak at getting back serves into play whether it has been philphosis serving at wimbledon or roddick launching 140mph at wimbledon he has gotten them back.

Yes, when sampras played fed in 2001 sampras was not at his peak but I would argue his serve was still near peak level. Federer even at 19 had like 13 or 14 break points in that match with sampras averaging 70% first serves over the match including 80% and 82% in the final set and fed still broke him.

I actually think federer got better as a returner from 19 to his peak at 23-25 which is the only reason I would favor him over sampras at wimbledon even in the 90s.


While I will concede fed may not win as many wimbledons or us opens during this era he would compensate at the FO and AO and end up with the around the same or even more slams.

If fed had been the exact same age as sampras through the 90s with his level even at 30 would have cleaned out alot of slams at wimbledon, us open, and aussie open, from 2000-2002 and i think could have nabbed a french maybe during that time too although guga was tough.

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This has got to be a joke? Federer is a 1 time rg champion and 4 TIME FINALIST.

He would EASILY win several (i am betting 3-4) rg's in any other era. Nadal was his problem... not clay.
Here is your basic problem. You are equating what he has done within his particular era and transporting it back to the 90s. You can't do that, time travel doesn't work like that, so don't cherrypick.

Once you work that out, then you have to look at the respective games of the players who played on clay in the 90s at that time. Guga on one good hip beat him, you think he couldn't do it at his peak? Bruguera would be breaking Fed's backhand down like he did with Sampras and unlike Muster he loved playing passing shots.

In other words the clay games that trouble Federer are were more widespread then than now, it's much different on clay with Kuerten, Muster, Bruguera, Medvedev, Corretja etc. Even allowing this Federer wouldn't play the same way then as he does now, it's that simple.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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